Voice effects or Microphone???

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2011/09/27 02:58:48 (permalink)

Voice effects or Microphone???

In some of the songs i have recently recorded on my new mxl 990 microphone the words that have a "S" sound to it are more noticeable than any other word, as in every word is about the same level but when i say a word with a "S" sound to it i can hear the "S" part of the word louder. Is it because im a rapper and i have to find the right microphone to meet my needs or is it the voice fx that i use??
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    adrian4u
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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 03:23:58 (permalink)
    you can try this one - http://www.voxengo.com/product/voxformer/ I've seen something especially designed to spoken words, not for singing. next one is iZotope Nectar. And - go to google, for little money you will buy CAD M9 b-stock - it's avesome, brilliant and one of the best inexpensive tube microphones

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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 03:27:35 (permalink)
    Are you using fx while you're recording?
    Do you have the dry ie. the recording without fx?

    Usually you record dry. Use the fx only in the monitoring chain. that way you can add whatever fx you want later.

    BUT. You have to get the right sound in the first place so that your vocals aren't clouded by unwanted room sounds. ie. the reflections etc from surfaces in your recording environment.

    Microphone technique is important too. Too close and you get increased bass response too far away and you get proportionally more room sound.

    Some mics are better suited to vocals than others. the 990 is considered to add "top end sizzle" to vocals which might just be marketing speak for it has a high sibilance level (the 'S' sound). I don't know what fx you used?
     
    You might need to roll off the high end frequencies to get rid of that sibilance. though depending on what hardware/software you've got you may be able to target the 'S' frequency and notch it out completely. SOANR has eq tools that wil let you do that

    The sort of pre amp you use will also have a real big impact on what your mic sounds like in the end.

    I've asked more questions than I've answered but there is very little set in concrete in audio. You do what sounds good in very general terms. BUT the best advice I can give you is to make sure that what gets recorded in the first place is the best it can be.

    A lot of things can get fixed later but the less that needs to be fixed later the better your overall project will sound. that's why pro's spend so much time in setting up the recording. Things like Room treatment, mic placement, pop filters, control of stray high and low frequencies and their reflections.

    when you ask questions like you have it's good to think about what we might need to know to answer you. All the best.

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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 03:30:54 (permalink)
    You will be able to get some way of the fix through mic choice and technique.

    A classic sibilance beating trick is to strap a pencil vertically across the diaghram of your mic, this supposedly 'splits' the sss'ss and reduces their direct blast in to the mic.

    You can also use a de-esser. Here's a free one: http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem=5 spitfish.

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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 03:32:41 (permalink)
    Well i do have a pop filter and i stand about 7 1/2 inches away from the microphone. I dont record dry i record with the fx that i have set at the end of the project. I use an eq, trackplug 5 for a noise gate to block out unwanted sounds a compressor and a little bit of reverb. Everything i made to fit my voice except for the compressor. I use the default setting "Mix Compression" My microphone is connected to the M-Audio Mobile Pre (2nd Gen) and i use Sonar 7 Producer Edition
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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 04:00:44 (permalink)
    Should i upgrade from my current mic and get a better one?
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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 04:20:56 (permalink)
    I dont record dry i record with the fx that i have set at the end of the project. I use an eq, trackplug 5 for a noise gate to block out unwanted sounds a compressor and a little bit of reverb.


    If these Fx are plugs which you've inserted into Sonar, then you are, in fact, recording Dry.

    The ONLY way you can record WITH Fx applied going into Sonar is by using Hardware in your input chain.



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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 07:38:54 (permalink)
    Far be it from me to talk you out of buying new toys if you want to, but there's a world of technique you could explore first.

    Did you try the pencil trick?

    Have you tried adjusting your mic technique ('throwing' your ss's off axis, backing off for them etc)

    Are you confident that it's not the inclusion of the compressor in the chain that's bringing up the level of the ss's unnecessarily?

    Did you try a de-esser?

    You ought to do this before spending money as otherwise you may well make a misdirected spend.

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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 08:37:59 (permalink)
    the 990 can be a little harsh.  u can reduce this sibilance using a hardware or plugin de esser.  try the free one posted above.    use the minimum compression ratio required to achieve the desired sound because   it can increase the sibilance.       do not change your performance.  do what u do and dont overthink it.    record your vocals dry, then have the de esser be the first thing in the signal chain.  after that, use an eq and compression.  it  may take u a while to find the sweet spot using your de esser.  many have a "listen" button that allows u to hear only the frequency that your compressing.  experiment.
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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 15:01:48 (permalink)
    What if i change mics? Get one that isnt so harsh on the "S" sound
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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 18:14:19 (permalink)
    Have you tried recording with a different mic just as an experiment to see if the sibilants are just as noticeable? Getting a really good mic is unlikely to solve your sibilant problem. You would be better off trying some of the techniques people with some experience in this are giving you.

    You already said you are using a pop screen. Have you tried either standing a bit further back than 7 1/2 inches or trying to record slightly off axis of the mic? Just throwing out quick things to try.

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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 18:36:32 (permalink)
    Should i upgrade from my current mic and get a better one?

     
    If your voice is prone to sibilance, I'd audition any new mics... and choose one that doesn't exaggerate the problem. 
     
    Sibilance resides in the 6-7k area. 
    You can split each offending sibilant "sssss" into separate clips... and either duck their volume, add a de-ess plugin, use EQ to duck the 7k area, etc.  You could also duck the volume of the sibilant sections using a volume envelope.
    All that said, the best coarse of action is to eliminate excessive sibilance at the source (mic).
     
    For folks prone to sibilance, I prefer "flat response" mics.  Typically not tube units... or those with large presence boost in the upper mids
     

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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 19:51:36 (permalink)
    Kidlupe93 : that's a 100.00 microphone, as for the S's we used to use a de-esser, google that

    http://www.dbxpro.com/286A/index.php

    read there...
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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/27 22:24:30 (permalink)
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    Kidlupe93 : that's a 100.00 microphone, as for the S's we used to use a de-esser, google that

    http://www.dbxpro.com/286A/index.php

    read there...

    +1. That's exactly what a de-esser is for. 

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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/28 00:33:36 (permalink)
    The cheapest thing is to try different distances or use off axis techniques so the sss don't blow across mic directly.  Putting the mic above your head, pointing down is another.

    A new mic is another thing.  If you can't audition several check the plots - most companies supply one.  I can't think of any that dip for silibence, but flat is better.

    After the fact it gets tedious but you can fix them some by pulling down the individual s's and using EQ and/or a de-esser.  But it is best to fix it at the source.

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    Re:Voice effects or Microphone??? 2011/09/28 14:32:16 (permalink)
    First things first.
    You ask if the cause of the sibilance could be the FX you use.
    You don't mean you've been wondering this and not tried how the s's sound with the FX disabled, do you?

    I did not find any indication in the posts above that you have auditioned  how the recordings sound dry. As Bristol said, if you use plugins, the actual recording is always dry. You can only record FX if they are external of Sonar.

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