Does anyone know what I need to add NI Vintage Organs to Sonar X1 Producer 64?

Both Vintage Organs & Kore '57 Drawbar work fine in x64/86 X1/ Win 7(if that's what you mean by 'adding')

nothing special you need to do.  I have Vintage organs on my win7x64 machine as well.

I have it running just fine in X1 x64. The catch is, it comes with Kontakt version 4 and you have to download version 5 to get it to run. Oh, and the organs sound spectacular.

Middleman


I have it running just fine in X1 x64. The catch is, it comes with Kontakt version 4 and you have to download version 5 to get it to run. Oh, and the organs sound spectacular.

Well - that's not entirely true...
 
There was a problem with Vintage Organs in Kontakt v4.2.2,but the mechanics at NI fixed it all in v4.2.3....
 
I have VO and it's a pretty good package,but I prefer the NI B4 II....It's a little more "organic"....
 
Of course,B4 was so good that NI gave it the chop because they said it was "too hard to keep up to date" 
 
 

Middleman


Yeah, I can't speak for others experience but I could not get it to work with any prior version to 5. I even emailed NI and they told me to upgrade to that version to get it to work. Once I upgraded to 5, it worked. Prior to that I got no sounds.  So based on others experience, it may be hit or miss in prior versions. I can only report on the reality I experienced.

There was a problem in one of the Kontakt 4 updates (4.2.2) where control of the drawbars was lost, this was fixed in the next release. Even in 4.2.2 you could play the presets and any previously saved custom settings.
 
It worked fine for me in all the other versions of Kontakt 4, however as Kontakt player 5 is free you are probably better off with the latest version in any case.
  
 

Are we talking about the same organ that's included in the Kontakt factory content?

Thanks for the info!! I guess what I wanted to know was if anyone was running Vintage Organs as a VST or "how" they ran it in Sonar X1. I used to haul around a B3 and then later a C3 with leslies etc. on the road for years. The demos for Vintage organs which include more than the B3 just sounded so much like I used to play them. So, I guess I need Kontakt5 and that comes included with Vintage Organs? Is Kontakt the VST and Vintage Organs the sound library?

Serious question: why would anyone choose a B3 sample library over a more accurate, more versatile modeled emulation like VB3, that costs less and takes up virtually zero disk space?

VINTAGE ORGANS includes the sounds of the Hammond B-3, C-3 and M-3 models, the Vox Continental II and the Farfisa Compact. As far as accuracy and versatility I am not an organ expert but when I look at the interface of VB3, it appears similar to the C3 interface in Vintage Organs. I found the Vintage Organ pack pretty versatile and realistic. Once again, a connoisseur of Organs might have a different opinion.  

musicwriter


Thanks for the info!! I guess what I wanted to know was if anyone was running Vintage Organs as a VST or "how" they ran it in Sonar X1. I used to haul around a B3 and then later a C3 with leslies etc. on the road for years. The demos for Vintage organs which include more than the B3 just sounded so much like I used to play them. So, I guess I need Kontakt5 and that comes included with Vintage Organs? Is Kontakt the VST and Vintage Organs the sound library?

I don't think that the Vintage Organs library comes with Kontakt 5 but it is included in Komplete 7 and 8....
 
The sound files for Vintage Organs are encrypted and need the Kontakt sound engine as the player...
 
I agree that the Farfisa & Vox organs in VO sound great and even the Hammonds are good, but there's something more "organic" about the B4 that just hits the spot for me... 
 
VB3 is very similar to B4 II (apart from the coding language) and it's really just a matter of personal taste...
 
I'm one of the lucky ones who can still run B4 II in Windows 7 

Here's the problem I have with sampled Hammonds. It's not the organ itself; that part's not difficult (in fact a B3 sample set was one of the very earliest sample libraries you could buy), but rather the Leslie. A Hammond ain't a Hammond without a Leslie, and there is no way in hell to properly sample a Leslie. That has to be modeled. Sure, Kontakt has a rotary speaker emulator, but unfortunately it sucks something awful.

There's also the distortion aspect. Leslies distorted in a very specific way, and you could run right at the edge of distortion so as to bring the dirt in and out as a form of expression. You can't really do that with samples. The best you can do is have a few representative levels of distortion to choose from. And don't even bring up Kontakt's distortion modules, which are useless.

Maybe I'm just being a snob about this. In reality I have multiple synths here that would pass muster doing basic organ pads laid under the mix. I actually have a hardware synth that says HAMMOND in giant lettering on the TV-camera-facing side. For most things, it works pretty good (great keyboard!). But it ain't no Hammond. It's a Suzuki and they merely bought the rights to use the name. Tone-wise, it's no better than any other synth out there. I'd love to have a computer-based organ that sounded more like the real thing. I'd still play organ parts on the "real" Hammond but record them as MIDI and substitute something else in the recording.

(BTW, here's a Deep Purple cover I played on with Randy Prier, Mark Wessels, and Jon Buoy. It demonstrates the faux-Hammond doing its best to sound like Jon Lord's overstressed Leslie that he drove with a 100w Marshall head.)

Middleman


Bit, checking out the Deep Purple song...very nice.

+1
 
Here is Jon Lord talking about his sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mW9b_KRedQ&feature=related