Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts

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2011/10/02 08:38:50 (permalink)

Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts

I was using Norton 360 for my antivirus program and it is expiring.  I also had to put it in sleep mode and disable by internet access when running X1 due to getting random audio drops.  I install the FREE Microsoft Security Essentials software yesterday and now I can keep it active as well as my internet access and no more drop outs (yet anyway).  Thought you should know.
 
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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 08:40:39 (permalink)
    MS Security Essentials does the trick for me too. Unfortunately for some, you DO need a legal copy of Windows :O)

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 08:41:35 (permalink)
    I used to use and swear by Norton up to about 5 or 6 years ago. It just got so bloated and I found slowed everything down.

    I now use Zone Alarm but my DAW only gets connected once a week for updates so I don't even run that until I connect.
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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 13:33:52 (permalink)
    Security Essentials is really lightweight. I've not found anything better.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 15:33:21 (permalink)
    Personally, my DAW isn't on the network (net) to do anything except authorizations or vendor updates.  The NIC is disables any other time.  Guess I'm a littlle paranoid - I even 'surf' on an image

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 16:04:13 (permalink)
    Why not just turn off Norton 360? Besides disabling your wifi or whatever hardware connects you t the internet...

    1. Under Quick Controls, uncheck Identity Safe and Phishing Protection.
     
    2. Click Virus & Spyware Protection. Under Automatic Protection Settings tab, uncheck Turn on Auto-Protect, Turn on SONAR, Turn on Suspecious Activity Monitoring, and Turn on Email check.
     
    3. Click Firewall Protection. Under General Settings tab, uncheck Turn on Firewall and Turn on Browser Protection. Under Intrusion Prevntion tab, uncheck Turn on Intrusion Prevention.
     
    4. If you have Add-on pack installed, click Norton Add-on pack in Settings. Uncheck Privacy Control, Parental Control and AntiSpam. Click Done.
    5. I would also select Silent Mode under settings.

    I think you will be just fine with Norton if you disable it. Of course, once I get another dedicated desktop DAW it wil not have any sort of secrity software on it at all because it will only go online for audio related updates. I think I can download Windows updates using my laptop, put them on a CDR and then instll them on the desktop but maybe that wont work... I don't know. When I get my next desktop it will also be a Studiocat because I expect good customer support from Jim. I usually buy a few things in December to cut down what I have to pay the Taxman. Perhaps Studiocat will provide a secure download for any new drivers or other updates related to the machine (then again maybe I expect too much).

    But back to the point, I have not had a problem with Norton 360 disabled but I have not pushed X1 either. So, I could change my tune... ohhh, bad pun. I am going to be recording some of my daughter's original music in the next 10 days, so I will soon be pushing it a bit more. I will let you know if I hae any problems.

    Also, I don't know but you may be able to completely turn Norton off in Administrative tools>Services. I could not turn McAfee off in Services, it would turn itself back on. You may also be able to temporarily change the extension on some .exe files to some other extension and completely disable it... but that is just a random thought and it may not work. I expect just disabling it would be enough. I have had no trouble with just running in Silent Mode

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 16:58:51 (permalink)
    I have Norton 360 on my system and it is a pig if it decides to do some "background" scans. I just disable it while I am working on anything with Sonar. After I am done I reenable it so I can leave my PC on the net and get automatic software updates while I am not using my system. This seems to work well. My ISP gives Norton 360 away so it would make little sense for me to use anything else on my system.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 19:13:47 (permalink)
    Norton IS a virus!


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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 19:45:12 (permalink)
    Security Essentials is a great security program. I use it and nothing else.

    For years MS tried to make a good anti virus program they did with this one.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 19:54:13 (permalink)
    NO network connection for a audio workstation !!
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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 19:58:39 (permalink)
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    NO network connection for a audio workstation !!


    well, it sure helps for the upgrades/updates/downloads/registrations etc...properly configured, a network connection should not be an issue.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 20:04:48 (permalink)
    Rimshot, you shouldn't need anti-virus on a DAW anyway. Maybe it does work with Sonar but your goal should be to remove any and all software that is unrelated to recording, editing, and finalizing music or music and video, etc. Keeping resources on the PC housing the DAW free is just as important as giving the DAW software the right of way. There's actually no reason to make your DAW computer an internet portal. While it may seem to be inconvienant to transfer files and updates via disk or private network, the goal should be to tune your DAW machine into a dedicated brain used only for the recording and production of the media you are producing. 

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 20:10:07 (permalink)
    > the goal should be to tune your DAW machine into a dedicated brain used only for the recording and production of the media you are producing.

    I'm not so sure about that. I mean, is that really a "goal", as such? Surely the goal is to have your DAW machine be fit for your requirements.

    There are lots of ways of getting to that result, and being disconnected for the internet doesn't necessarily seal the deal either way. A single purpose machine is not guaranteed to be better than a multi-purpose one.

    For me personally, uploading and downloading of materials is a daily necessity; having that all on one machine is of not insignificant value for me.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 20:16:55 (permalink)
    I also moved form AV to AV due to the cost of renewals. Also the AV's were so big and bloated.... not just Norton, that bootup and processing was sooooooooooo......sloooooooow. 

    I kicked them all out, canceled the renewals and loaded MSE. Works like a charm on all my online boxes..... my DAW is NOT online for anything.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 20:22:10 (permalink)
    A single purpose machine has dedicated resources. A multi-purpose machine has resources for all purposes on the machine. One of the biggest problems in DAW's is the interruption of the DAW process. Endless threads have been posted about dropouts and crashes which only a computer software engineer could unravel to find the the cause. I'm sure we'd all like to record, edit, make various format copies of, publish and disseminate over the web complete with a store front on our DAW, but it just isn't that trick yet. Half of the DAW software out publicly doesn't get along. But hey, whatever makes you happy.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 20:39:14 (permalink)
    In the hypothetical, you make a fair enough point.

    On the other hand, my machine is permanently connected to the internet, and always has MSE switched on, and I don't have dropout problems. Depending on the complexity of what I'm doing, I sometimes have a browser running in the background and some other odds and ends while I work. And I don't have an especially bleeding edge machine.

    In theory, yes, of course, the less resources are going on X, then the more that c an go on Y. But in practical terms, you can often end up overdressed for the occasion, shall we say.

    I think the quarantine from the internet thing was good general advice a few years ago, but I think it's become much less relevant nowadays. The reality on the ground changes very fast, even without changing your hardware. MSE is much more comprehensively effective AND more light on resources than virus checkers were a few years ago. Add to that that modern browsers do a much better job of warning you off dodgy websites than they used to, and the landscape has changed a lot.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 20:41:26 (permalink)
    Alot of Norton hate, I actually think it has gotten much better since 360 came out.  I never turn Norton off, this is my 3rd DAW computer with it and have not run into any problems that I can trace back to Norton.

    My machine connects to the internet 24/7
    My machine plays video games (or did before I had a baby)
    My machine surfs the net
    My machine only gets turned off if I am not going to be home for more than a day.
    My machine has been running solid for 2.5 years.

    I am a heavy Sonar user and my projects can be quite large and intricate.  Given all the rules I am breaking with my computer DAW rules,  it amazes me each day that it functions.

    If turning Norton off or deleting it helps your performance that is great, I am just saying there are alot of myths about DAW usage possibly held over from a previous age, that may not be entirely applicable with a new computer with todays technology.  


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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 20:42:51 (permalink)
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    If turning Norton off or deleting it helps your performance that is great, I am just saying there are alot of myths about DAW usage possibly held over from a previous age, that may not be entirely applicable with a new computer with todays technology.  


    Yeah, I agree.


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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 20:43:55 (permalink)
    Thanks to all for your input.  For the record, I did disable Norton and disconnected from the internet every time I use X1 and I had no problems with pops/clicks when doing so.  I also understand that I should have a dedicated DAW computer but I don't.  I need to be able to download drive updates, virus protection updates, Panups new mods when I feel like switching around my color scheme, and I am also uploading songs to the internet more often.  So, I am very pleased that there are other users out there that also find MS Security a good choice. 
     
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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 21:58:55 (permalink)
    I use the Norton Security suite that comes with Comcast Internet and have had no problems with it. 360 came with my motherboard so I tried it, hated it and removed it.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 22:59:38 (permalink)
    Viruses tend to come from two places these days--emails and snuck into web pages and downloads that we visit.

    I've always felt kicking the poor DAW off the 'Net was throwing out the baby with the bathwater.  My hats off to those that can dedicate a DAW machine like that, but I needs me my interwebz! :)

    What I use is the free program Sandboxie. What it does is run the browser in a virtual sandbox.  Think like a virtual machine, but for the browser app.  I don't worry about if something gets downloaded along the way, because it doesn't hit my OS. 

    I've found lots of love for MSE, but I don't see it the same. Have you ever looked at the executable in task manager when it's updating or when the pc boots? It's a hog! Until it catches a virus that AVG missed, I'll remain skeptical if it's really effective.      

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 23:29:06 (permalink)
    i used to use norton as well but it has to many resources running in the backround..i spent an hour talking to a tech manager at symantec and there is no possible way to lighten the load..it cant be disabled because it would not be doing its job if it could be turned off right?..so i started using avast..it is very good for this and its free..really light weight.and can be turned off.
    now i dont use anti virus.as proffessionals we shouldnt be using our computers as a devise to surf around..i know sometimes its not practicle..but really..spend 50 bucks on an old dell demention and use that to surf.keep you daw off the net.you collect alot of garbage on the net.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/02 23:31:32 (permalink)
    Martin Walker wrote an interesting article in a recent issue of SOS magazine; in that article he debunked quite a few network, anti virus, wifi  theories that are still hang overs from another age where computer power wasn't what it is today.

    In recent years I've run both the dedicated DAW stripped to teh bone , as well as the multi-purpose machine that has everything from WiFi to myltimedia apps and hardware and must say it's never been those things that have caused me problems.

    There's no doubt wifi polling will cause a dropout in a machine with no reserves. It's also a fact that you don't have to have those services running nor should you while you're tracking etc but I don't think you have to be that paranoid that you wouldn't have certain software installed or hardware connected to your DAW.

    These days we have access to such powwerful devices that it's time to re-write some of the rules of engagement when it comes to getting along with other non DAW  hardware and software.

    I simply have different profiles for General or DAW use. Even then I can still access my DAW from my general profile and do non critical work without issue.

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/03 08:59:13 (permalink)
    Norton=Invasive Bloat.Microsoft Security Essentials=Smooth Operation.
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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/03 11:57:35 (permalink)
    Crg


    Rimshot, you shouldn't need anti-virus on a DAW anyway. Maybe it does work with Sonar but your goal should be to remove any and all software that is unrelated to recording, editing, and finalizing music or music and video, etc. Keeping resources on the PC housing the DAW free is just as important as giving the DAW software the right of way. There's actually no reason to make your DAW computer an internet portal. While it may seem to be inconvienant to transfer files and updates via disk or private network, the goal should be to tune your DAW machine into a dedicated brain used only for the recording and production of the media you are producing. 





    I thought programs like ezdrummer required internet connectivity... Regardless, I use MSE with Sonar and it works fine. I sometimes disable the protection when tracking and make sure it's not scheduled for an update...





     
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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/03 12:10:56 (permalink)
    Last time I rebuilt my Internet pc, I decided not to re-install Norton and opted for AVG instead.

    Best decision I ever made (another good one never to use is PC Doctor)

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    Re:Microsoft Security Essentials for less dropouts 2011/10/03 12:19:45 (permalink)
    The big issue with Norton (or any AV software) is disk IO. CPU power is more than sufficient to handle the small amount of network traffic and processing it uses. The disk IO is a killer though if it gets going. You can alleviate a lot of the effects of this by either turning it off while working or just making exception lists to keep Norton or any other program from scanning your sample and/or audio disks and file types like wav, au, mp3, mp4, etc. Also configure it to stop logging every single event in your computer system.

    There are other programs that can screw you up in surprising ways. If you have Adobe Photoshop Elements you will notice it is scanning your disks unexpectedly. I believe it tries to build a database of images in your system but who knows? Either way it is obnoxious.

    If you are not using multiple disks for running Sonar then probably your AV software is the least of your problems ;-)


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