Another track bleed problem that I am quite sure you havent heard yet.

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2011/10/03 00:31:17 (permalink)

Another track bleed problem that I am quite sure you havent heard yet.

My set up is this. M-AudioFTpro. Alesis 320 active monitors. Sona7 XL. WE wont go into the mic etc because this doesn't involve recording. The monitors have been run direct USB and also off the interface with the same results, installed soundcard was disabled, uninstalled etc. All Device drivers have been updated and there are no conflicts. SO I made a click track and I have a few imported audio tracks in my project. The click made using tts1 and the vocal is an imported MP3. The rest of the instruments are imported MP3 also. Everything has been converted to MONO. and ran through two stereo buses to the Master bus which outputs to the monitors. The Two buses are panned as follows. Bus1 with click and vocal hard panned right. all other instruments hard panned left. Also each individual track panned in their respective direction direction. So my click track bleeds over onto the left channel. not bad but you can still here it ghosting in the background during pauses and at start up before the rest of the band kicks in. Now here is where it gets unique. I Downloaded the file onto my MP3 player anyway and used a 3.5mm signal splitter. The right mono channel I ran to a set of headphones and the left to the speakers. The bleed was apperent there as well but it stops when I unplug the headphones. No ghosting at all. so I tried different set of headphones and it came back. I can plug in to the left channel and out all day long and its completely repeatable. plug in, I have bleed unplugged no bleed. So after this I go back to the computer. and I run everything through the audio interface. now the speaker arent connected to the computer the interface is and the speakers are on the interface RCA outputs. I start the track and sure enough there is the ghosting again.so I unplug the click track mono input and it goes completely away. Long story short I only have bleed when I am completing the circuit in the left channel to listen to the click track but it doesnt matter if I have it hooked up to speakers headphones whatever. If I hook a set of anything to the left channel I start hearing it on the right channel. if Im unhooked from the left channel then the right channel is clean and vice versa. It does this with every file and project I create. I have tried it on home stereo from an mp3 player. through three different computers, through three different audio splitters, and on two different sets of headphones. I have eliminated each and everything at different stages to see if I could isolate a cause and no luck. Taking computers out of the mix altogether and putting it on an MP3 player even takes the sound card out of every equation and still the result is the same. Right channel completely clean without anything plugged into the left channel but as soon as I plug in the left channel it bleeds to the right. Anyone ever here of that sort of nonsense before?
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    57Gregy
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    Re:Another track bleed problem that I am quite sure you havent heard yet. 2011/10/03 11:04:07 (permalink)
    Could it be crosstalk inherent in any stereo audio device?
    Does the FT have any hardware or software controls for something like 'monitor mix'?
    Have you tried panning the click track in the MIDI track pane and/or the TTS-1 GUI instead of the synth output track?
    Just a few ideas, and welcome to the forum.
    Oh, for such a long post, some line breaks would be nice. Some of us are old and have not-so-good eyesight. I kept losing my place while reading. Unless you posted from a device or browser that doesn't agree with the forum software. Line breaks are inpossible with some of them.

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    Kurt301
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    Re:Another track bleed problem that I am quite sure you havent heard yet. 2011/10/03 12:30:10 (permalink)
    Im sorry I did put in line breaks I dont know why it posted like it did. And yes I have tried what you suggested already in the Midi Track pane, on the stereo bus and even selected show mono outputs from the buses and bypasses the main altogether. Still nothing. The only time I was able to get a clean signal was when I ran the left channel through my audio interface back to my head set and sent the right channel direct to the speakers. A friend suggested that I try running through a DI box to elimate the crosstalk and that this is why it worked like it did on my audio interface so, I think I am off to GC to pick up a DI box today and give that a shot.
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    Re:Another track bleed problem that I am quite sure you havent heard yet. 2011/10/08 09:59:20 (permalink)
    There is no such thing as track bleed in Sonar since there is no tape involved. If you think you are getting track bleed then one of the following may be true:

    Your routing is sending the playback tracks back to the record track. That could be either internally via a What U Hear type channel in your soundcard, or externally via a mixer. 

    You are using an effects send bus either in Sonar or in your external mixer.



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    Re:Another track bleed problem that I am quite sure you havent heard yet. 2011/10/21 00:43:21 (permalink)
    Hi kurt301, just wanted to tell you that I recently got the same thing with the jumbly paragraph. I didn't know either until Beagle told me that if you use Internet Explorer, rather than Firefox, you won't get this. He was right.
    Sorry, I don't know about sonar to help you with this, but I'm sure somebody here will help you out. Good luck!
     
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