X1 Expanded and VS 700 ?

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2011/10/07 06:57:04 (permalink)

X1 Expanded and VS 700 ?

Hi everybody,
Can (or will) the new features  and possibilities of the new X1 Xpanded, be controlled from the console VS 700?

I imagine there will be more development and expansion in the future, and it will be difficult to make them coincide with the orders of the VS, which after all was optimized for Sonar 8.5
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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/07 09:07:02 (permalink)
    I report the  Noel Borthwick (CTO, Cakewalk ) answer from the SONAR X1 Producer forum :


    "Expanded should work as before with the VS700. The new modules should work just like the previous static modules did and te mechanism to switch through them is unchanged. The code was updated to handle dynamic modules."



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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/22 12:28:24 (permalink)
    The prochannel new moduls aren't showing up on the vs 700 controls ...i can only control Comp, EQ and sat (the old one) ..the gate and the softube sat isn't showing up on vs 700 ...:(

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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/24 10:31:23 (permalink)
    Zo


    The prochannel new moduls aren't showing up on the vs 700 controls ...i can only control Comp, EQ and sat (the old one) ..the gate and the softube sat isn't showing up on vs 700 ...:(
    Hi all,
     
    We are aware of this and are looking at options for an update. We do not have an ETA for an update at this time, however we will keep everyone here posted.
     
    A workaround is possible; if you want to access the new modules in the ProChannel switch to ACT mode in the CHANNEL STRIP CONTROL section. The downside is that you will need to manually set ACT focus by clicking in the module. Like I said, we're looking at ways to improve this.
     
    If you find anything else odd with X1 Expanded and the VS-700, please log it here using our Problem Reporter:
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/problemreport.aspx
     
    Thank you for your continued support and patience.
     
    Cheers,
     
    Samara

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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/24 12:17:46 (permalink)
    Thanks for the updates, very appreciated.
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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/24 19:25:18 (permalink)
    Not being a stir monger, but do I read this as Noel's reply was incorrect meaning that it wasn't tested on the 700C?? This would concern me slightly.... unsure otherwise how to take this.

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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/25 20:09:12 (permalink)
    Anyone upset that VS-700 owner's have until Oct 30th to get the discounted price for X1 Expanded yet there is no ETA on when the controller will work with some of the new features?  If anything, I would think that Cakewalk would extend this offer to VS-700 owners until they have updated the software to give us complete functionality.

    Cheers,

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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/25 21:20:24 (permalink)
    I can see your point Jayson... it's odd how quick you can feel disconnected by a company sometimes by some things, even when minor in the big scheme really. The 700C still holds so much promise since X1 was released... I think a customizable update for it would tick all the boxes, then we can get options to suit individual workflow etc and everyone is (close) to happy... assuming the design as such permits this. The lack of integration testing that appears to have happened is a bit of shock to me... odd. I think your point about an extension until usable for 700 owners is quite valid too in context. I haven't pulled the trigger for primarily that reason and who is to say it will actually get integrated? The ACT however is a backup solution although a bit tedious when you just need to get on with the project currently at hand. Cheers.

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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/26 08:17:35 (permalink)
     I agree with Jayson. Like I have posted before...V-Studio owners seem to be the last on CW's list...From flagship to dry dock it seems. Don't get me wrong I love my VS-700, but there should be more hands on deck.  
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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/26 08:56:45 (permalink)
    Maybe they're happy with how it is right now. 

    Take a look HERE and add your voice there.


    Don't forget Sonar is their main selling product and the soul of Cakewalk, it is predictable they'll use their techs to push Sonar farward first.


    Don't know if their relation with Roland is as strong as when they designed the VS700. Hardware is not the main purpose for them BUT they could sell more if users was "blown away" with its feature, updated workflow and ease of use.




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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/10/26 09:06:32 (permalink)
    I just hope the VS is not tied to Sonar 8.5 to death... The labels are no more acurate only one Sonar version later and keeping up with update seem tedious. 

    My prediction is integration will become more and more difficult and unintuitive.
    Th VS will stay a Sonar 8/8.5 control surface.

    Will they put out a Sonar X-700 system or completely let go the hardware side, Cakewalk and Roland doing whatever they want each on their side?


    Will wait and see.
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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/12/10 17:23:11 (permalink)
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    Hi all,
     
    We are aware of this and are looking at options for an update. We do not have an ETA for an update at this time, however we will keep everyone here posted. 
      
     
    Cheers,
     
    Samara
    Samara, any update?
     
    Cheers,
     
    jayson

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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/12/12 03:04:21 (permalink)
    jayson


    Samara Krugman


    Hi all,
     
    We are aware of this and are looking at options for an update. We do not have an ETA for an update at this time, however we will keep everyone here posted. 
      
     
    Cheers,
     
    Samara
    Samara, any update?
     
    Cheers,
     
    jayson



    I'm not holding out much hope. How many very polite responses have we had from Willy and Samara?

    Just for grins I went to the Roland site to see if any more information was available, things don't look good, Roland is supporting the newer REAC version but refers non REAC owners back to Cakewalk for support.


    By the way, did you notice Samara has a VS 700 Reac header in her member panel. For a weekend warrior like me the thought of 4k that no longer fully supports my DAW makes me sad.


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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/12/12 09:53:20 (permalink)
    That being said, I don't get the difference between the "normal" and the REAC version of the v-studio. Hardware is identical.  Is there something that prevent the original from being used in a REAC system?
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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/12/14 01:41:32 (permalink)
    Dyonight


    That being said, I don't get the difference between the "normal" and the REAC version of the v-studio. Hardware is identical.  Is there something that prevent the original from being used in a REAC system?
    Looking through the literature it seems the only difference is an RJ-45 that allows connecting directly to the REAC unit. The main application seems to be using the REAC mixer as a FOH unit with the audio ported out to the 700 and Sonar for recording down to a pc.


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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/12/14 01:54:31 (permalink)
    The really disappointing news is from the X1 announcements section where the fantastic union of Avid and Cakewalk has resulted in a plugin that allows usage of most of the Eucon control surfaces. 

    Seems like we may have bet on the wrong horse.

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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/12/14 22:51:54 (permalink)
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    The really disappointing news is from the X1 announcements section where the fantastic union of Avid and Cakewalk has resulted in a plugin that allows usage of most of the Eucon control surfaces. 

    Seems like we may have bet on the wrong horse.

    EJ 

    ........ ok..... I understand...... this is NOT nice.....
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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/12/15 16:30:26 (permalink)
    bentedgz


    The really disappointing news is from the X1 announcements section where the fantastic union of Avid and Cakewalk has resulted in a plugin that allows usage of most of the Eucon control surfaces. 

    Seems like we may have bet on the wrong horse.

    EJ 

    This is kind of ironic considering that Pro-Tools is the only major DAW platform that doesn't work AT ALL with the VS-700C. Luckily the current EUCON surfaces are butt-ugly and wayyyy over-priced. I guess the positive to take away from this is that SONAR can now be used in many studios that have already dropped big money on Pro-Tools rigs.


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    Re:X1 Expanded and VS 700 ? 2011/12/19 07:56:12 (permalink)
    EB is right and it explains why Cake would go this way with their support... makes more market sense. Also maybe supports thinking towards PT friendly surfaces as a long term strategy over the seemingly (X1) unsupported V-Studio?

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