Impressed with Music Creator 6 release

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2011/10/08 07:47:13 (permalink)

Impressed with Music Creator 6 release

I was a big fan of Music Creator 5 and really liked using it.  Satisfaction with the product led to a series of upgrades that has me currently using X1 Expanded.  However, when Cakewalk released Music Creator 6, I had to buy a copy just to see what they had done with Music Creator and how it worked in my environment.
 
I have to say that Cakewalk really came to the table with a winner on this one.  For what this costs at the local retailer I don't think there is a better choice for the money anywhere (including using an unlicensed copy of Reaper).  MC6 is just like using X1, but with some minor (for most home recording users) restrictions and a few less features.  However, with some of the freebies in the cakewalk store (RGZ, and the Cakewalk Audio Effects) and a few free VSTs from the internet this beefs up to a pretty respectable DAW.
 
The only drawbacks that I can see is the limit of two simultaneous recording inputs, the limit on the number of soft-synths in a project, and the requirement for a higher resolution monitor.  For someone getting started the only one of these that may be a problem is the screen resolution (some of the buttons can't be displayed with 800 pixels vertically).
 
I would recommend this to someone starting out in a heartbeat.  Good job Cakewalk!
 
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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/08 09:00:34 (permalink)
    I noticed that 6 looks alot like X1. 

    I haven't had much time to work with it.... I may do that this weekend if I get the time. I have some mixing to do anyway, so that would be a good opportunity to run it through it's paces. 

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/09 19:08:44 (permalink)
    Could either of you, if you get the chance, please check out the Matrix View performance? I am interested to know if it can replace something like Ableton Live (or the late Project 5), for playing time stretched audio loops and midi loops on the fly. What I also would like to know, if there is a live Tap Tempo function(which MC5 unfortunately lacks), where a Tap Button could be assigned a qwerty keyboard or midi note shortcut under Key Bindings? So, you would hit it twice, for example, and the new tempo would immediately take effect. Finally, does MC6 have the capacity for External Sync? Thanks for any information about these.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/09 20:31:49 (permalink)
    I don't use the matrix view or Ableton.... so I really don't know enough about those features (if they exist) to be able to help you with an evaluation.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/09 20:38:11 (permalink)
    yeah, I'm with guitarhacker.  I've never used matrix.  I have used abelton very briefly with version 4 but that's only because it came from with my m-audio soundcard.

    I don't use MC that way - for me, it's really just a big multitrack recorder that can also do what my keyboard sequencer can do.  I don't use the matrix view or beatscape or any of those things.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/09 21:10:55 (permalink)
    There is a tap tempo function, but as far as I can see it is only available in a dialog box and does not seem to be key mapable (Bindable).

    I can't find the MIDI sync functions that are available in X1.  Not sure if they are in a different place of have been removed.

    Sorry, not familiar with Ableton or time stretching loops to know if this can be done in MC6.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/09 22:32:27 (permalink)
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    Could either of you, if you get the chance, please check out the Matrix View performance? I am interested to know if it can replace something like Ableton Live (or the late Project 5), for playing time stretched audio loops and midi loops on the fly. What I also would like to know, if there is a live Tap Tempo function(which MC5 unfortunately lacks), where a Tap Button could be assigned a qwerty keyboard or midi note shortcut under Key Bindings? So, you would hit it twice, for example, and the new tempo would immediately take effect. Finally, does MC6 have the capacity for External Sync? Thanks for any information about these.
    These are the only things I found about sync in the MC 6 Help files:
     
    "If you are using MIDI sync or syncing to MIDI time code, Music Creator waits to receive external timing data before it begins playing. If the various views are not updating during playback, make sure the SCROLL LOCK key on your computer keyboard is not enabled."
     
    "MTC Sync
    MIDI Time Code sync. Messages are received in SMPTE/MTC format from an external MIDI device and generate MTC"
     
    I don't know if that's what you mean, though.
    Haven't used the Matrix view yet, either. Not really sure what it's for.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/09 22:40:36 (permalink)
    Thanks for checking gcolbert. That's really too bad, because if it had Tap Tempo, it could have been a modern replacement of Project5. http://www.cakewalk.com/S...kb/reader.aspx/2005250 Guitarhacker and Beagle, all I was suggesting, was to go into Matrix View, and load a few audio and midi loops, and play them via binded keyboard or midi shortcuts. You can set each Matrix Block to such things as one shot, or continuous loop (and possibly a designated number of repeats, but I am not sure of that). Also, there should be a mutually exclusive arrangement, (I believe) either by rows or columns, where triggering one Matrix Block would cut off the playing loop, immediately, or after the current loop has finished a cycle. You should think of this setup, as more of a live drum machine that plays loops of anything, and not necessarily as a composing tool. Even though, it certainly can be used as an alternative composing technique. If you are not interested, in venturing into this looping/composing approach, I totally understand.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/10 07:51:03 (permalink)
    MC54PC.... I hear what you're asking, but.... I don't use Matrix.... heck I have X1 which I believe has matrix and at this point I have not clue how or why it would be helpful to me with the way I work in the DAW. 

    I am a straight-forward type of worker, and since I've used the MC series, I have continued to use that in X1. I'd really have to spend the time to investigate exactly what the matrix  is and how it would be useful to me before I would consider using it. 

    Heck I just did a little bit of experimenting with screen sets. I think they might be useful, but the problem is, when I have the DAW on, it means I'm usually working on tracking or mixing my current project.... I really don't have a bunch of spare time to "play around" with the new features just yet. 

    Work is busy, time is limited and until work slows down, I won't have a lot of "play time" in the DAW. 

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/10 09:17:22 (permalink)
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    Thanks for checking gcolbert. That's really too bad, because if it had Tap Tempo, it could have been a modern replacement of Project5. http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2005250 Guitarhacker and Beagle, all I was suggesting, was to go into Matrix View, and load a few audio and midi loops, and play them via binded keyboard or midi shortcuts. You can set each Matrix Block to such things as one shot, or continuous loop (and possibly a designated number of repeats, but I am not sure of that). Also, there should be a mutually exclusive arrangement, (I believe) either by rows or columns, where triggering one Matrix Block would cut off the playing loop, immediately, or after the current loop has finished a cycle. You should think of this setup, as more of a live drum machine that plays loops of anything, and not necessarily as a composing tool. Even though, it certainly can be used as an alternative composing technique. If you are not interested, in venturing into this looping/composing approach, I totally understand.


    I could try that for you when I get some time.  not tonight, probably not tomorrow night.  I'm pretty busy on Mondays and Tuesdays.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/10 12:24:43 (permalink)
    Mondays and Tuesdays are Becan slicing days around the kennel!

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/10 12:25:49 (permalink)
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    dang skippy!

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/11 00:19:33 (permalink)
      Thanks Greg. I'm not sure I understand what all that time code stuff means either, but it sounds to me, like MC6 CAN sync to external signals, hopefully just simple Midi Clock sync.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/11 00:22:49 (permalink)
    Herb, Don't worry about it. I can appreciate your limited amount of free time. Beagle, Thanks very much. I can't wait to hear what you think.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/11 07:36:47 (permalink)
    remind me again if I don't post in this thread by tomorrow.  I might have forgotten to do it with all the busy-ness I'm into Sunday thru Tuesday

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/13 14:41:16 (permalink)
    Beagle. I'm just reminding you. Thanks.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/13 15:19:57 (permalink)
    thanks, I will do my best to try to get to it tonight.  (dont feel bad about pinging me again if I dont)

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/13 18:19:50 (permalink)
    ok - checking it out.  it's pretty much all you say.  I can't say it's intuitive to my workflow, but I can see where it could be useful to some.

    here's a video of it in S8.5, but it works the same in MC6.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzuQW5abPGQ

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/13 21:08:05 (permalink)
    Great. Thanks. Only one more question: Can you please test this plugin in MC6, and see if it instantaneously updates MC6's tempo? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jez.price/effects.htm And if it doesn't, can you put the plugin into an external host, such as VSTHost http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm and connect to MC6 via MidiYoke, and see if MC6 can slave to it's tempo?

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/14 07:09:20 (permalink)
    I'm not sure I have time to get to that kind of a test right now.  we'll see.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/16 00:26:35 (permalink)
    That's fine, Beagle. Whenever you get the chance.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/16 16:58:20 (permalink)
    I downloaded and installed FiltSeq1.3

    it scans fine in MC6 and I can insert it into a project.

    However, as soon as I try to play the project with it installed, it locks MC6 up and MC6 stops responding.  I have to close MC6 down via CTRL-ALT -DEL.

    this plugin does not work with MC6 for whatever reason.  I did not try to do any further testing.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/16 18:53:55 (permalink)
    Beagle, you mean "Tap! 1.2 Tap Tempo" plugin, don't you? It is 3rd from the bottom of the page: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jez.price/effects.htm You said "FiltSeq1.3" in your post. Assuming you did test the "Tap" plugin, and it did not work with MC6, thanks very much for taking the time to test, and letting me know the results.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/17 08:38:52 (permalink)
    no, I downloaded filtseq1.3.  I didn't see where you were saying to download TAP TEMPO (and I didn't scroll down to the bottom of that page, I downloaded the first one).  I just assumed it was fitseq you wanted since it had a "manual tempo" adjustment parameter on the face of it.

    I'll see if I can get to tap tempo in a day or two, but I go for surgery on Wednesday, so we'll see/

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/18 01:50:30 (permalink)
    Beagle, sorry for the confusion, and my not being more specific. Heck, I'm really sorry you have to go in for surgery this week. I hope it goes well, and you have a speedy recovery. This Cakewalk stuff can, obviously all wait, until you are better and have the time.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/18 08:24:36 (permalink)
    thanks!  I'll see what I can do, but health is first.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/21 12:50:21 (permalink)
    Jack is right... but I wonder about that SIGNATURE....spammer? 

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/21 16:22:32 (permalink)
    He's not answering anything.  he copied part of gcobert's post.  just like he did in the other threads - he copies part of someone's post for his own.  it means nothing.  he just wants people to click on his spam link.

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    Re:Impressed with Music Creator 6 release 2011/10/24 00:13:29 (permalink)
    Hey Beagle. I see you're back posting. How did your surgery go?

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