Alternative to Boost11 for master bus

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2011/10/11 21:42:44 (permalink)

Alternative to Boost11 for master bus

When I mix, I insert Boost11 into the master bus and have noticed that it seems at times to offset my center depending on the left/right balances.  The snare which I keep in the center will seem to go left based on the limiter. 
 
Is there another plugin that I can use that will bring my overall level up for CD purposes but not effect the center?  I read somewhere on this forum recently that someone stated something similar.  I would prefer a plugin that comes bundled with X1E or if there is a really good free plugin I could check out - great. 
 
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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/11 22:28:05 (permalink)

    I have used this Modern Plug In limiter with some success.


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    Also George Yohng's W1- Limiter used to be a freebie.  I would really love to see Cakewalk produce a real high quality limiter.  

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 00:19:56 (permalink)
    Slate Digital FG-X. This plugin is magic.


    EDIT: Sorry, didn't see you said 'free' - this plug is not free, but worth every penny.
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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 01:10:30 (permalink)
    That's a symptom of an unlinked limiter, which is to say the left and right sides are working independently of one another and potentially shifting the center when one side is compressed more than the other.

    However, this is the first I've heard of Boost11 possibly being unlinked. (Mostly we just hear about how awful it is, in a more general sense.)

    I have no experience with FG-X suggested above, but I hear good things about it. Here are some suggestions based on products I do have some familiarity with:

    1. If you can afford it, the best mastering limiter I've ever tried has got to be Pro-L from FabFilter.

    2. For about the same price as Pro-L, you can get a whole suite of tools with Ozone from iZotope. Its limiter is nearly the equal of Pro-L (my opinion, others may disagree) and is easier to use. Plus you get a multiband compressor, a versatile equalizer, a harmonic exciter, stereo width tool and reverb.

    3. For less money than either of the above, there is Elephant from Voxengo. I have only demoed it, but I know it's a favorite of many around here.

    4. For even less money - as in free - there is George Yohng's W1 limiter. It's a simple plugin, not many options. But it does a superb job. There is a version out there (BetaBugs) that wraps a pretty UI around it, but it's a purely cosmetic enhancement.

    5. Another good freebie is MLimiter from MeldaProduction. This one has some interesting features: it lets you define the harmonic content of the distortion inherent in all limiters. It's a fun one to play with.

    These suggestions barely scratch the surface. There are easily a dozen worthy Boost11 alternatives out there, from respected vendors such as Blue Cat, Sonalksis and Wave Arts.


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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 02:10:58 (permalink)
    Audacity, while not a plugin, have an amplify effect to bring up the waveform level without clipping. Works best for the final mix down wave file.

    http://audacity.sourceforge.net/onlinehelp-1.2/menu_effect.htm
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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 03:00:18 (permalink)
    The problem with the free stuff is... well, it's free. I'd say it's wise to invest in a high quality plugin, esp if you're whole mix is going to run through it.. Waves L3, FG-X etc.

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 03:20:24 (permalink)
    With limiters I prefer a clear sound boost. I have one third party plug I purchased (Voxengo Elephant), used it tons, but it adds more color than I like these days. I'm going to take a look at some of the ones mentioned in this thread, but I wanted to add another consideration for you in the free department. 

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 03:22:15 (permalink)
    Boost 11 is not great and not worth using. It will only destroy your music. I recommend the PSP Xenon.

    http://www.pspaudioware.c..._processors/psp_xenon/

    Danny Danzi and I have had some discussion about this on another thread.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2393504

    He suggested it and I respect his opinion a lot. I have heard good things about the Slate limiter too so I would not be surprised if it is also very good. The PSP costs $249 though but worth every dollar of it. I have just mastered an album with the PSP and it sounds fantastic.

    It has got more control over how it actually sounds while it is limiting compared to nearly all other limiters out there. It is complex and needs a little bit of learning. Once you understand what the controls do you can start to shape how it sounds depending on the music. It also produces an insane level of final signal WITHOUT destroying the music in any way. It does not colour the sound in any way, it is transparent and that is how a limiter should be. It does tip toe around distortion when you are in this mode (super loud) but you can still just keep clear of it. Something nearly every limiter out there cannot do. You can match any commercial CD with ease if you are careful. It also includes high quality dither features and can dither down to 16 bit all from 24 bit. It won't convert sample rate down but it does change down bit depth nicely. It also eliminates intersample peaks etc.

    It is expensive I suppose and meant for more serious professional applications I guess but if you can afford it then you will love it. The demo is fully working for 2 weeks and this particular product does not need the USB dongle as well.

    The reason why people have problems with limiting is that no free or cheap limiter will be able to even come close to this. You get what you pay for. But be careful though. I preceeded this amazing device with a super expensive analog compressor (Smart C2) and that made a big difference. That final sound is combination of both. The limiter will not solve all your loudeness problems on its own. It needs the compressor or a great compressor plugin.
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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 03:55:55 (permalink)
    Some good recommendations above.
    I use FabFilter's Pro L and can vouch for it being superb in every way; easy to use, transparent, etc.  I also use TRacks3 Deluxe which is excellent.  I know these aren't free but this finalising stage is crucial and ought to be allocated an appropriate portion of any project studio's budget if possible.

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 04:29:01 (permalink)
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    Some good recommendations above.
      I also use TRacks3 Deluxe which is excellent.  I know these aren't free but this finalising stage is crucial and ought to be allocated an appropriate portion of any project studio's budget if possible.


    If it's possible to have affection for a few lines of code, then I'm totally besotted with the T-Racks limiter.

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 07:18:14 (permalink)
    I like Izotpe Ozone myself which has a great limiter (which they call a volume maximizer).. JMO!

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 08:34:27 (permalink)
    I won't go past any of the above recommendations as they all have their place and I use several of them myself.

    My one suggestion is to go to the iZotope site and download their Mixing and Mastering guide which is one of the best primers of any sort going. While you're choice of plugin may have an impact, by far the greatest impact will come from how you use the tool. It really covers this final aspect of mastering very well. You will end up benefitting from any of the plugin choices you end up making.

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 09:28:33 (permalink)
    To All,

    Your suggestions are great as well as your comments.  I am going to make a project of researching all these leads to learn more.  I am surprised that X1 does not have any good offerings for this at this point!  Perhaps they might consider adding a professional limiter to our options? 
    I apologize for looking at "free" plugs but its only to get acquainted first with the technolocgy before I purchase.  I have also learned the difference now between single and multiband limiters as well as expanders as it relates to dynamics, color, and distortion. 

    I will let you all know what I find.  Thanks again to all.

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 10:32:44 (permalink)
    Voxengo's elephant.  It is realtively cheap and does a good job.  It can color the sound, but can also do fairly clean.

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 13:34:13 (permalink)
    I'm currently trapped in the free zone as I can't afford anything...

    So I keep trying the Betabugs George Yohng W1 plugin, but it always crashes X1 as it's loading... the other Betabug plugins seem to work (I've not actually used them but loading them into the fx bin doesn't crash X1cE)

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/12 18:04:26 (permalink)
    Keni, give the meldaproductions MLimiter a try. I really like that plugin, especially when I want to add a little grit.

    Another one that I use a lot, but exclusively on drum busses, is LoudMax. It's a dirty, in-yer-face effect and I wouldn't ever use it on the master bus, but it's wonderfully aggressive on drums.


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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/13 12:03:40 (permalink)
    Thanks BF...

    I've used their stuff in the past but not in a long time (Melda)... I just grabbed the latest and I'll give it a try...

    Do you find it "better" than Boost11? I've been 'stuck' with that a number of times and not particularly happy...

    One day I may have an income and be able to afford something really good! ;-)

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/13 13:55:47 (permalink)
    I use boost more on some tracks when i want a hard limiting ...boost is only on my master for protection , but for real transparent limiting nothing comes close to the sonnox limiter ....

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    Re:Alternative to Boost11 for master bus 2011/10/13 14:36:32 (permalink)
    +1 for FabFilter's Pro-L
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