New AMD CPUs, has Cakewalk tested them with X1?

Not looking so good. Noel gets a mention in this article BTW: http://www.tomshardware.c...ozer-990fx,3043-5.html

If/when AMD leap-frogs Intel, I'd be just as happy to use them (have in the past).
 
At the moment, the sweet-spot price/performance wise is the Intel i7-2600k running at ~4.5GHz.

Jim Roseberry


If/when AMD leap-frogs Intel, I'd be just as happy to use them (have in the past).
 
At the moment, the sweet-spot price/performance wise is the Intel i7-2600k running at ~4.5GHz.

How do you get it to run at 4.5GHz? 

Jim Roseberry


If/when AMD leap-frogs Intel, I'd be just as happy to use them (have in the past).
 
At the moment, the sweet-spot price/performance wise is the Intel i7-2600k running at ~4.5GHz.

Jim, excuse me but I can't fully agree with you. Taking i7-2600, very good motherboard and good RAM, you'll spend almost 1/2 more of money, you would spend on Phenom II 1100T, one of the best motherboard and very good RAM.
 
I won't do "exchange" from Polish zloty to US dollars, but here it looks like this.
 
And - here are people, who know how to build computer, so we don't need to buy any Dells, HPs or other "brand" computers, that have the same elements but you pay more only because of the sticker on the box.

Sorry totally wrong!!!!
 
 
> And - here are people, who know how to build computer, so we don't need to buy any Dells, HPs or other "brand" computers, that have the same elements but you pay more only because of the sticker on the box.

I've probably built over 1000 PC's in my time. No I am not exaggerating.

I used to build my own PC's but then I bought Dell as realized:
* When things go wrong one manufacture often blames another and you are stuck in the middle
* If the product is out of warranty I have to replace like with like, if the parts get old it can be difficult to replace.
* It can actually be MORE expensive than buying from an all in one supplier who gets bulk discounts.
* Dell's profit margins on PC's are no more than 10% say (probably less).
* Dell has a great warranty whereby an engineer will swap out parts the next day. Beats running around or trolling through ebay for something difficult to find.
* Dell keeps compatible parts when things go wrong.
* I can still customize a Dell PC if necessary.
* Consumer power works when if something similar and serious goes wrong everybody complains about the same thing. Dell has no choice but to listen. A person with a whole load of parts delivered from all over the place is often dismissed.
 
The only advantage of building your own box is that smug feeling, a bit like after you have assembled a model airplane, but just like model airplanes often they tend to fall apart after a year or so.
 
Good luck with your custom boxes. I learnt my lesson.!!!
 
Cheers...
 

Jim Roseberry

w do you get it to run at 4.5GHz?

 
The 2600k is multiplier-unlocked from Intel.
IOW, It was designed specifically with controlled over-clocking in mind.
 
You need a quality 3rd party CPU cooler, the right motherboard, and you have to tweak a couple BIOS settings. 
 
To be absolutely sure it's 100% stable, you need to run a hard-core stress-test.

Thanks.  But then of course is the question:  Is there any real need to overclock at all?

Adrian - Not problem - I'm just over opinionated sometimes! :)

Jim - Did you read all the points in my last post correctly, esp about customization?
BTW What you wrote is what I used to think, and if you talking just about specifications of course you would be correct, but then 6 months down the line you will be running a slow PC compared to others. Experience has told me in the real world there are other things to think about. A lot of people think better technology = latest and fastest components, in fact the better technology is generally that has been around for at least a year after all the issues have settled.

All in the last post anyway.

Thanks

Alex

Jim, excuse me but I can't fully agree with you. Taking i7-2600, very good motherboard and good RAM, you'll spend almost 1/2 more of money, you would spend on Phenom II 1100T, one of the best motherboard and very good RAM. I won't do "exchange" from Polish zloty to US dollars, but here it looks like this.

 
Hi Adrian,
 
Here in the US:
The AMD FX-8150 is $280 (top of line AMD)
The Intel i7-2600k can be had for $280
Quality motherboard for both platforms is right about $200.
RAM is a wash
 
At 4.5GHz, the 2600k is delivering the performance of Intel's $1000 CPU.
It's faster than the 8150... for right about the same money.
Note:  I'm not saying the 8150 is a dog (slow), but the 2600k at 4.5GHz is hard to beat (extremely fast). 
 
We live in great times...
Back in the original Pentium days, $300 bought an entry-level processor.  
 

Thanks. But then of course is the question: Is there any real need to overclock at all?

 
The 2600k is fast at stock speed.
At 4.5GHz, it's amazingly fast.
 
All depends on what you're looking do accomplish.
 
At 4.5GHz, you can run substantial loads (glitch-free) at the smallest ASIO buffer sizes.
This kicks open to door for things like effective software based input monitoring.
You can play/monitor in realtime (using smallest possible ASIO buffer size to minimize round-trip latency)... and you don't have to worry about running out of CPU power.
I'm not going to say it's "unlimited" processing power... but it almost feels like it.
ie:  I virtually never move my MOTU 896HD off the 64-sample ASIO buffer size. 
I can keep my round-trip latency low from project start to finish.  If I decide to overdub a DI electric guitar or some extra harmony vocal tracks at the last minute, I've got the speed to do it while monitoring in realtime thru software EFX/processing.
While I don't always need all available speed, it's quite liberating to know it's available.

Intel: 8 cores 16 threads... wise people use intel and their support
and ..chipsets..drivers..

I am with Musicroom; it has been almost two years since I purchased my StudioCat DAW and it also is still "purring." This is the only way to go for those of us who like to make music and don't want to make computers. Obviously, I can't say enough good about Jim, but we all do what we can do.

I like to roll my own because I can upgrade only the parts that need it. I upgraded to a i7 w600k and just replace the motherboard, RAM and CPU. Kept the drives, case power supply etc. I could not afford it otherwise.

Jim Roseberry


Hi Alex,
 
With all due respect, if you've built 1000+ PCs, then you know that you can choose better components (for DAW purposes) than what Dell/Gateway/Apple/etc uses. 

This was the major factor in building my own system (for the 1st time) back in 2008 as I had complete control on which components I wanted/could afford. Although my system isn't as powerful like most people here, I'm glad I went this route as the only thing I ever had to replace was a bad stick of RAM. Although now, you can get a really powerful PC off the shelf.....(I'd still like to build my own).
If not for Jim & Scott's expert advice here on all these forums, I just may have gone through Alex's route.  

i7

CakeAlexS


> Reading this exchange is a little maddening

I can't see why it's maddening, unless everything has to be bi-polar i.e. only right or wrong. I just come from a different mindset, Jims comments are entirely valid from the specification wars perspective (there will always be people who want to feel they have a "Rolls Royce PC"), I however take an entirely different route for the reasons I have explained.

I don't see this an "exchange" or an arugment at all. Jim has some good points, I'd like to think I have the same. Take or leave what you will out of them.  BTW I'm sure Jim's boxes are great!

No problem Alex - I used an off the shelf for a few years prior to a custom daw... It did the job. I had to put up with some noise and performance hiccups, but I kept on recording and enjoying. I agree with the stance you have considering it is the one that you feel good about. Those Dell's, etc can get the job done no doubt. However, once you driven a Rolls Royce Daw.... just saying.


:)