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Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
I moved a project from my Sonar 8.5 XP 32bit PC to my brand new X1 Win7 64bit laptop.
When I opened the project in X1, I got the message that the Toms bus cannot find the Cakewalk fx:Reverb plugin.
I checked, and it's true, only the .ini and help files were in the Shared directory. The .ax file was missing.
Strange, because all the other Cake fx:??? plugs are there, and are selectable from the browser. Just Reverb was missing. They exist on my old PC, but copying the file across didn't work.
So I decided to install 8.0->8.5 on my new PC, too, but discovered that in 64bit 8.5, this plug is also missing!
How strange is that. All the others are there. fx:Phaser etc. But no fx:Reverb. Please note, it is NOT deselected in the install list. It is just not in the list at all!
Do I have to install both 32bit and 64bit versions of Sonar now?
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JazzSinger
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 11:15:27
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Please note, I am not talking about the Sonitus FX Reverb. That is a different range of plugs.
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 12:09:40
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Jazz, the FX plugs are DX which is not supported in Sonar 64. If you have both Sonar 32 and 64, you will only see these plugs in the 32 bit version. If you are seeing all the other FX plugs in Sonar 64, that is strange right there as they should not show up in the directory at all unless you are using some sort of wrapper. I have them installed here and they do not appear in Sonar 8.5 64 or Sonar X1 64. But they are in both of my 32 bit versions.
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 12:12:16
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Yeah, Cakewalk has depreciated some DirectX plugins and never made 64-bit versions of them. Why they haven't is beyond me (while still making 64-bit versions of some strange ones, like StereoReverb.ax).
If you have older projects to load (or just want to use these plugins), you should install the 32-bit version of sonar side-by-side with the 64-bit. It will install in a different directory (by default \Program Files (x86)\Cakewalk), and have separate folders for 32-bit plugins, etc. You can tell your 64-bit sonar to scan the 32-bit VST folder, as it can load 32-bit VSTs using bitbridge/jbridge, but you can't load 32-bit DirectX plugins.
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 13:16:11
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"Danny Danzi"
If you are seeing all the other FX plugs in Sonar 64, that is strange right there as they should not show up in the directory at all unless you are using some sort of wrapper. I'm seeing all that stuff in my "Plugin Manager" with the exception of the "fx:Reverb" plug as mentioned by JazzSinger. The thing is that, this is a brand new install (Sonar X1 Expanded - x64) on a new build (x64), and I stay away from 32 bit plugins. Mind you, I've personalized my "Audio Fx" and "VSTs" menus to show only 64 bit items, so I don't even see these. But I can confirm that they are available in this environment (I haven't bothered trying them out though). Not sure what to make of this??
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 13:40:06
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As another new Win7 64 user with the same (or at least very similar) issue, can anyone comfirm whether the other DX plugins which *are* loading are .dll or .ax files? I tried installing just the 32bit plugins from the 32bit SONAR installer - not SONAR itself - which did create the right folders under \program files(x86). However, none of the .ax files would register for me no matter what I tried, so I'm not able to wrap them. But Dreamstation - which is also a 32bit DXi - did register, I believe because it's a .dll and not an .ax file. And that can be wrapped as a VST to be used in SONAR 64.
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 14:02:24
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Yes, the Cakewalk FX plugs are all .AX files, and they all load fine in my x64 environment, but the FX Reverb is missing. Maybe because it didn't port easily for some reason - who knows..
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 14:30:29
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brundlefly, when you installed the .ax plug-ins from the 32bit installer, did they all register for you during the installation process? None of them did for me, even though I do have UAC turned of and ran as an admin. And if the answer is yes, did you install everything or just the plug-ins with the "(32 bit only)" suffix? I did the latter.
Only Dreamstation (which happens to be a dll) did what I expected. I have a lot of older projects that use those FX, so I'd hate to lose them. Plus, I just like what they do.
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 15:40:53
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Here's the deal on my machine:
In SONAR x64, Plug-in Manager shows all the Cakewalk FX are referring to
...\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins\DynamicsProcessor.Ax
but have different CLSID numbers registered. Apparently they're all wrapped up in that one Ax file somehow. The Ax file is dated 9/9/2008, and must be native x64.
In SONAR x86 (which I only installed recently), Plug-in Manager shows the same thing, but the path is:
Program Files (x86)\Cakewalk\Audio FX Pack 1\DynamicsProcessor.ax
and the Ax file is dated 2/16/2000. Obviously, this is the old x86 version.
I'm guessing the x64 version was inherited from my earlier 8.x installation, but since I never had an earlier version x86 SONAR on this machine, it had to get them from the Audio FX Pack installation that I did at some point after installing x86 SONAR.
Hope that makes some sense.
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 15:42:32
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JazzSinger
I moved a project from my Sonar 8.5 XP 32bit PC to my brand new X1 Win7 64bit laptop.
When I opened the project in X1, I got the message that the Toms bus cannot find the Cakewalk fx:Reverb plugin.
I checked, and it's true, only the .ini and help files were in the Shared directory. The .ax file was missing.
Strange, because all the other Cake fx:??? plugs are there, and are selectable from the browser. Just Reverb was missing. They exist on my old PC, but copying the file across didn't work.
So I decided to install 8.0->8.5 on my new PC, too, but discovered that in 64bit 8.5, this plug is also missing!
How strange is that. All the others are there. fx:Phaser etc. But no fx:Reverb. Please note, it is NOT deselected in the install list. It is just not in the list at all!
Do I have to install both 32bit and 64bit versions of Sonar now?
That suite of plugs are "well" used through-out years of work here. I do hope the folks at Cakewalk port them over to VST!! Same goes for the sonitus plugs - Update them please!?! I don't want/nned new versions of these plugs (might sound different) - just give them to us as is in VST format. Until then, I choose to stay in the 32 bit world. - Off soapbox to grab coffee
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 18:01:07
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In SONAR x64, Plug-in Manager shows all the Cakewalk FX are referring to ...\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Plugins\DynamicsProcessor.Ax but have different CLSID numbers registered. Apparently they're all wrapped up in that one Ax file somehow. The Ax file is dated 9/9/2008, and must be native x64. In SONAR x86 (which I only installed recently), Plug-in Manager shows the same thing, but the path is: Program Files (x86)\Cakewalk\Audio FX Pack 1\DynamicsProcessor.ax and the Ax file is dated 2/16/2000. Obviously, this is the old x86 version. I'm guessing the x64 version was inherited from my earlier 8.x installation, but since I never had an earlier version x86 SONAR on this machine, it had to get them from the Audio FX Pack installation that I did at some point after installing x86 SONAR. Thanks, much appreciated. I'm going to try installing SONAR 32 altogether, and not just the 32bit plugins. Maybe there's something about the overall installation that is part of the process of getting everything registered.
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/12 18:22:29
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Alegria
"Danny Danzi"
If you are seeing all the other FX plugs in Sonar 64, that is strange right there as they should not show up in the directory at all unless you are using some sort of wrapper.
I'm seeing all that stuff in my "Plugin Manager" with the exception of the "fx:Reverb" plug as mentioned by JazzSinger. The thing is that, this is a brand new install (Sonar X1 Expanded - x64) on a new build (x64), and I stay away from 32 bit plugins. Mind you, I've personalized my "Audio Fx" and "VSTs" menus to show only 64 bit items, so I don't even see these. But I can confirm that they are available in this environment (I haven't bothered trying them out though). Not sure what to make of this??
Oh wow, I can confirm this as well now. I had my menu's set to show 64 bit only as well and totally forgot I had it set that way. Thanks for reminding me Alegria. :) I just enabled "show all" and sure enough....all the FX plugs are there except for the reverb as was previously stated. Maybe one of the Bakers will chime in here if they see this thread. My apologies Jazz, everything on my end is the same as yours. -Danny
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JazzSinger
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Re:Cakewalk fx:Reverb not in 64bit - but other CW FX plugs are!
2011/10/14 06:56:01
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Thanks for the info, everyone. I was under the illusion that, even if they are not superfantastic, at least I can rely on the Cakewalk plugs always being available from version to version. This means I now must put together reasonable facsimilies of my existing most-used presets on some other reverb. Dang, I could do without this.
post edited by JazzSinger - 2011/10/14 07:06:09
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