intermittant crackle drive me mad

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2011/10/13 20:43:08 (permalink)

intermittant crackle drive me mad

been a while since i've been on the forum and ive always found a solution here, one way or another. This one's annoying me. I've done the usual- forum search, drivers update,etc etc. Still cant figure it out. I've tried changing buffer sizes, driver types, ASIO WDM, disabled all but one input source, etc No plugins enabled or used in the project either. EQ disabled, the bare minimum- you get the idea? For no apparent reason and at random intervals my recorded audio crackles. its not a hardware fault (dodgy leads/cables) and not something i can re-create on demand. Often i run a project for many minutes and many edits before it happens. other times a clean-opening of sonar with a brand new proejct with nothing but one plain audio track creates the same problem. I hit the "panic" button to stop the audio engine and it clears. Quite annoying, especially if you've just recorded a "great" take and have to abort. I wonder if there is something in windows that might be affecting it. Back when i used XP i recall having to disable my network connections to resolve some issues but that was a while ago with a much lower spec PC. here's a brief 1Mb WAV of an example http://www.sugarkick.co.uk/crackle.wav Any help welcome, though as its a random thing only time will tell.

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    johnnyV
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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/13 20:51:43 (permalink)
    Seems generally speaking that crackles are caused by faulty drivers, I see you have a older sound card, Might be time to upgrade, just a long shot. Have you done any searches for problems with the W7 drivers for that card??

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/13 20:59:18 (permalink)
    Got the most recent driver. What puzzles me is that the PC seemed fine for the first 12 months (as a brand new machine) and now this comes along. I'm not aware of any other software installed as i'm a "DAW only" believer and keep the day-to-day usage for another PC, but thanks for the reply.

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/13 21:24:48 (permalink)
    Steve

    maybe is your delta 66

    i use to have 2 deltas 44's and i got the same thing... under sonar 6 and sonar 8.5.3 
    very small crackles that you can hear when cracking up with your headphones
    that happened when the cards where old, and actually only one of the cards have done that

    now i use a presonus audiobox usb
    problem solved...
    not sure if it was the drivers but i think it was something in the audio card
    those deltas are outdated now

    if you need 2 channels only you can get a profire610
    or saffire 6
    depending how much you want to spend

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/13 21:52:50 (permalink)
    Its not the Delta, but what are your computer specs and do you have a separate video card? Crackles are usually caused when your computer cannot keep up with the processing of the audio. 

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/13 22:39:00 (permalink)
    if you have wireless internet service you need to go to device manager and under network adapters,expanded it and click disable..this wont uninstall anything it will just temp.shut your wireless conection off.
    your problem has got wireless interfernce written all over it dude.
    doesnt matter how good your specs are.im running something now close to yours and it happens to me if i dont do it.

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/13 23:16:41 (permalink)
    daveny5


    Its not the Delta, but what are your computer specs and do you have a separate video card? Crackles are usually caused when your computer cannot keep up with the processing of the audio. 



    Dave , that you have a delta and you dont experience problems
    dont means that this guy delta is ok, hardware fail at some point in different manners 


    it is possible that the card is ok, but you cant guess that is ok without making the tests to make sure is not the audio card by itself.


    Steve,
    you can install your delta 66 on any other PCI slotted pc , a friend a neighbor or office
    and see if you card still does the crackle


    i suggest to use ASIO mode for the delta
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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/14 04:41:40 (permalink)
    thanks for the assistance all. do you think a delta hardware fault would be intermittant/random crackling? Once the crackling appears it stays until i stop/start the audio engine. I cant make it happen and never know when or if it will happens. i normally use the delta in ASIO mode

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/14 07:06:18 (permalink)
    I had a delta 44 for 5 years and it started doing the exact same thing you're experiencing.  it was very random, but seemed to be worse after it "warmed up" more.  lead me to believe it was probably a faulty cap or more than one.

    I called m-audio about it and they, of course, wanted me to go through all the low level troubleshooting that I had already mostly done.  the last thing they told me to do was to remove the card and software completely then reinstall it.  I didn't have time to do that immediately, so I bought another soundcard, the MOTU in my sig, and then when I got time to do what they wanted, I did it, then returned to the tech support site only to find that Avid had changed the rules.

    my ticket was now closed (my fault for waiting so long, I know), but now in order to reopen the ticket I would have to pay, in advance, for phone support.

    it was not worth it.  I threw the D44 in the trash.

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/14 08:39:37 (permalink)
    Easy enough to test. Try playing a music CD using the Windows Media Player (not Sonar). If you still get crackle, it could be the Delta. If you don't then its not the Delta. 

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/14 08:46:10 (permalink)
    daveny5


    Easy enough to test. Try playing a music CD using the Windows Media Player (not Sonar). If you still get crackle, it could be the Delta. If you don't then its not the Delta. 


    +1.  good test.  that's what sealed the deal for me and my D44.  it was happening on WMP as well.

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/14 13:52:04 (permalink)
    its the recording of audio that adds crackle. somewhere between the "outside" analogue world and getting stored as WAV data the signal is getting corrupt. Playback seems fine and is not an issue.

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/14 15:32:04 (permalink)
    that's the way mine started - with recording only.  first only on 1 input, then spread to the others, then to the output.   try different inputs.

    try recording in audacity.

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/14 17:22:26 (permalink)
    try recording in audacity.    +1  


    Trouble shooting involves trying alternatives until the culprit is determined. How many times have people pulled their hair out only to find it was a faulty cable. 
    Reading this thread leads me to think it's time to shop for a new interface. 

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/14 19:27:50 (permalink)
    Beagle


    that's the way mine started - with recording only.  first only on 1 input, then spread to the others, then to the output.   try different inputs.

    try recording in audacity.
    Hey Beagle!


    same thing happened to me...
    looks like the input section is the one that was going bad, as i can playback ok...
    but when i recorded with it, and played back the audio got those little "crackles"
    and if i play that wave on another pc that was recorded with the delta, same thing
    as the artifacts where already printed on the wave file cause of the delta


    yeah...
    they served me many years when they lasted
    now i have a presonus audiobox usb for my mobile small rig
    Lexicon I-Onix U82S USB  when i need to record drums or more than 2 tracks at once
    Rolo.


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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/15 06:01:12 (permalink)
    Hey, rolo!
    yeah, I miss my D44 sometimes - it was a great card, but apparently this is a common way they die!

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    Re:intermittant crackle drive me mad 2011/10/26 07:04:43 (permalink)
    Hey guys,
    I experienced the same thing with my M-Audio 2496 Audiophile (a pci card) that used to work great but after I upgraded to the latest drivers (at that time the first vista-drivers for this thing) it started to fail seriously. The first track I'd record was fine, then the next went bezerk with crackles and pops. It drove me mad. 
    I literally tried a lot to get it to work again, with the help of M-audio customer support, but to no avail. Rolling back to an earlier version of the drivers, what had worked one time before that, didn't help, changing the pci-slot didn't work, even reinstalled windows and sonar on that machine, changed all kinds of combinations of buffers and settings, tweeked in windows system settings, even started messing with the motherboard. It really drove me NUTS.
    I ditched the card a few years ago for an Edirol ua25ex and that worked for me since I took it out of the box and installed the drivers. Not one problem.
    ah, Where are the good old days of the 4-track tape deck! If that didn't work, you either had a) no tape loaded, b) no power c) no signal... we used to be musicians back then, now we're ICT-professionals
    Good luck!
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