tonecircle
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Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
Building my first dedicated DAW and planned to use three hard drives. One will be for the OS and SONAR X1 and the other two will store sample libraries and project audio files. I've already got the hard drives and motherboard on the way. Two of the drives are SATA3 and one is SATA2. My motherboard only supports two SATA3 drives and the rest are all SATA2. My question is will it be fine to run the OS and SONAR X1 from the SATA2 and put the samples and libraries on the SATA3 drives? Is that optimal? Or would it be better to use the SATA3 hard drives for the OS and sample/audio file processing and use the SATA2 for back up since it is slower than SATA3?
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/10/17 09:46:14
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I would use the fastest drive for the OS. Data isn't as critical and a slower drive won't really be noticed. Speed is why many are using solid state drives for the boot drive, it's much faster than mechanical drives.
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tonecircle
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/10/17 13:28:27
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fireberd, thanks for the reply. I was going to put the OS on the slower SATA2 drive because I thought streaming the audio data would be more important. What I'm going to do instead is get one SSD drive for the OS to have maximum speed and use the SATA3 drives for the project audio data. My DAW will have four hard drives and I'll use the slow SATA2 for back up.
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/10/18 08:08:16
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I'd consider putting the OS on the "slower" SATA2 (it isn't that "slow"...) as well and let the SATA3 drives be used for rest of the project data. I use a SSD drive for my OS drive and I have to say it definitely makes boot up and applications appear to respond much quicker. So, I agree with your latest decision (SSD - OS, 2-SATA3 for projects/audio/instruments, SATA 2 for backup). Tom
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/10/18 12:47:06
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It's a budget thing. If you can afford SSDs, they are the best for streaming (sample libraries such as EWQL etc...) bar none. I currently can't afford SSDs for my sample libraries but found an excellent compromise with 10k rpm mechanical drives (Raptor). But I did manage to squeeze my budget enough to buy an SSD for the OS (OCZ Vertex 3 @ 120 GBs) and I don't regret it at all. If anything, it increased my resolve to save for more of them.
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tonecircle
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/10/19 00:03:57
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Hey Tom and Alegria thanks for the reply. I did go with the SSD for the OS. Can't wait to see how speedy it will be.
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tonecircle
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/10 22:41:01
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Just to follow up. I completed the build and have been running smoothly since. No more drop outs and CPU spikes. It's great to have a smooth running dedicated DAW. I've been running lots of plugins and virtual instruments and the cpu does not go past 30% I started out budget minded, but did go with the SSD for the OS. The SSD did run up the cost by a little but it was worth it. Thanks guy's for your input on this. It has turned out really good. Peace. Tonecircle
post edited by tonecircle - 2011/11/10 23:00:20
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/11 00:05:54
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If you're looking to buy conventional HDs... The Western Digital factories were recently wiped out in floods (they supply parts to Seagate - who also own Maxtor). Thus, at this very moment, HD prices are sky high. This makes SSD a lot more attractive. If you're using conventional HDs, it really doesn't matter if you connect them to a SATA-II or SATA-III controller. No single conventional HD is close to saturating the SATA-II bus. IOW, You'll get the same speed connecting a SATA-III HD to either a SATA-II or SATA-III controller. SSD used as boot drive is faster. That said, it's not earth-shatteringly different. A fast conventional HD still makes a great boot drive. The Vertex 3 benchmarks at over 500MB/Sec on reads. You don't need that kind of speed for tracking audio. For massive disk-streaming polyphony from sample libraries (like Hollywood Strings), it's a god-send.
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Alegria
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/11 14:11:54
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"[size="4"Jim Roseberry"] SSD used as boot drive is faster. I knew that sooner or later you'd come around.
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/11 14:22:17
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I knew that sooner or later you'd come around. Paying $140 for a conventional drive that cost $60 a couple of weeks ago does make SSD (which has been dropping in price) a whole lot more attractive.
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/11 15:36:11
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Alegria "[size="4" Jim Roseberry"] SSD used as boot drive is faster. I knew that sooner or later you'd come around. faster on boot times, slightly snappier windows! NO increased performance for audio.... (as an os) we never said they were not nice to have just not worth the $ considering a good one is still very pricey $200 ish for a 128 (smallest really accpetable) and $450ish for a 256G but as jim said with the crazy HDD prices they suddenly dont look so bad $70 more for a good 128G vs a 1TB and FYI i would not touch OCZ with a 10' pole...
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tonecircle
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/11 23:19:52
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Negligible difference in fact and worth it or not in ones opinion. Obviously there's no harm in having the best technology money can buy for your DAW.
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Alegria
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/12 10:43:33
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"jcschild" and FYI i would not touch OCZ with a 10' pole... I know Scott. I saw your "GearSlutz" post on your OCZ Vertex 2 saga. But, hopefully you'll change your mind and give the Vertex 3 (120GBs - SATA3) a whirl as I truly believe it would be worth your time. Jim now seems to think very highly of it especially in the context of new and demanding sample libraries such as offered by EastWest. "tonecircle" Obviously there's no harm in having the best technology money can buy for your DAW. I completely agree. And glad to hear your build went well. Cheers!
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/12 11:27:07
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sandforce in general, and in particular OCZ has had a lot of issues. OCZ ram has issues OCZ PS's have issues.. etc.. not the best company. with that said my very first SSD (still working) is an indelix controller OCZ. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4973/sandforce-identifies-firmware-bug-causing-bsod-issue-fix-available-today just one of numerous... i prefer non sandforce as i have to be the one supporting and warranting them (i dont tell my clients call the manufacturer) i prefer crucial and Intel. however i do like Mushkins SF units such as Chronos deluxe. very fast.
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Alegria
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/12 11:47:20
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Thanks for the article, it's an interesting read. I must be a very lucky dude then, cause my SSD has been purring along mighty fine. This was my first purchase from OCZ, and the experience has been nothing but positive. On the other hand and in your context as a pro DAW builder, I can understand that these issues are not the type of events you want associated with your business. I'm aware of Intel's reputation for reliability when dealing with SSDs, but they are more expensive and don't quite reach the specs. offered by the Vertex 3. Anyways, I'm glad I don't have to deal with the stuff you have to watch out for all the time.
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/17 17:32:25
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Jim Roseberry If you're looking to buy conventional HDs... The Western Digital factories were recently wiped out in floods (they supply parts to Seagate - who also own Maxtor). Thus, at this very moment, HD prices are sky high. This makes SSD a lot more attractive. If you're using conventional HDs, it really doesn't matter if you connect them to a SATA-II or SATA-III controller. No single conventional HD is close to saturating the SATA-II bus. IOW, You'll get the same speed connecting a SATA-III HD to either a SATA-II or SATA-III controller. SSD used as boot drive is faster. That said, it's not earth-shatteringly different. A fast conventional HD still makes a great boot drive. The Vertex 3 benchmarks at over 500MB/Sec on reads. You don't need that kind of speed for tracking audio. For massive disk-streaming polyphony from sample libraries (like Hollywood Strings), it's a god-send.
My vertex 3 runs at around 360. Found out that is pretty normal. John
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/21 02:14:08
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For the OS, what size SSD do you guys recommend?
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Re:Three Hard Drive DAW - SATA 2 and SATA3
2011/11/28 22:14:21
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Mesh For the OS, what size SSD do you guys recommend? For the OS, what size SSD do you guys recommend? I've got a 160 Gb and it's much too much for just the OS. Windows 7 64 Bit was in the neighborhood between 12 Gb and 15Gb install size. I'm sure a SSD with 60 Gb would be more than you will ever need so long as you use it just for the OS. 40 Gb would probably even serve you well. Personally I like having the extra space.
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