How to find Midi Drum Tempo w/ AudioSnap?

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2011/10/17 12:47:45 (permalink)

How to find Midi Drum Tempo w/ AudioSnap?

So I have been using Sonar 7 Pro to find Midi Drum Tempos w/ AudioSnap but I really want to upgrade my PC and start using Sonar X1 Pro.  I have actually paid for the Sonar 8, 8.5 and X1 upgrades but haven't had the time to learn all the new features.
 
I know how to assign audio clip tempos and line up measures w/ audio transients but just can't figure out how to do this w/ midi in X1 Pro.  I want to be able to line up the measures by snapping them to midi notes like how it can be done w/ audio transients.
 
Here is how I currently do this w/ Sonar 7 but I need to know how to do it in X1 Pro.  Here is my post about this from a few years back, if any one is interested: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=981155
  • I'm currently use the Roland TD-20 V-drums to record midi drums but most of the drummers I record don't want to play to a click track
  • Once the midi drums are recorded, I assign the output to a drum map I made for the Roland TD-20
  • I open the piano roll and click on the 1st note that I want to assign a measure/beat to
  • The cursor never falls exactly on the start of the midi note, so I hit the F7 key to go to the start of the midi note
  • I then hit CTRL+M for the Measure Beat/Meter and make sure the Measure and Beat are correct
  • I do this over and over again until I'm done w/ the song and it works perfectly everytime
I was thinking about creating a drum map that assigns all midi notes to 53 Ride bell b/c it has a tight transient and then freezing the track and enabling AudioSnap but I figured I should post on here and someone can confirm if what I'm trying to do is possible or tell me the page number in the manual or what to search for in the help file.
 
There seems to be a big learning curve going from Pre X1 versions.  I think Cakewalk should have provided a document or video for anyone that upgraded from an older version that shows "if you did it like that, then now you do it like this".  I have to re-learn a ton of shortcuts that I have been using for years.  Even going from Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 to Sonar 1 wasn't this much of a task.  I'm really starting to wonder if the saying is true, You can't teach an old dog new tricks ;)

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Lou
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    Re:How to find Midi Drum Tempo w/ AudioSnap? 2011/10/17 13:24:33 (permalink)
    I was thinking about creating a drum map that assigns all midi notes to 53 Ride bell b/c it has a tight transient and then freezing the track and enabling AudioSnap but I figured I should post on here and someone can confirm if what I'm trying to do is possible or tell me the page number in the manual or what to search for in the help file.



    Yes, it's possible to do this. Once you have the track bounced to audio, you can use Audiosnap's Set Project from Clip to set tempos. However, Set Project is not as precise as your manual method, both because the transient detection can be imperfect even with the right sound (something shorter like a cross-stick would be better), and because the calculation of tempos can be a little off.


    Also, I would recommend setting tempos only from a single part of the pattern, like the kick, and only setting on tempo per measure unless there's a ritardando/accelerando that has to be mapped to make intra-measure beats fall in the right place.


    And finally, due to the amount of tweaking that may be necessary to get the Clip Tempo Map massaged so that Set Project works correctly, it can actually take more time to do it this way than by using Set Measure/Beat At now, especially if you're already proficient with that method as it sounds like you are.


    You might also want to look into using Fit Improvisation with a MIDI reference track extracted from the MIDI drums, but it requires a MIDI event on every beat which is not always easy to come by. Some like to record their own reference track while listening to the playback, but my feeling is that this just introduces more timing discrepancies because the reference recording will not perfectly represent the original performance. It might make sense if you only have an audio performance to work from, but if you have the original MIDI performance available, it's best to work directly from that.





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