PS/2 vs USB mouse

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2011/10/18 18:49:02 (permalink)

PS/2 vs USB mouse

My old ps/2 mouse has gone fluffy so have replaced it with a usb one.
Now I find that Sonar x1c glitches from time to time - seems to stagger when redrawing mouse pointer movements.
Didn't notice it with the ps/2 mouse.
Any ideas on how to improve the usb mouse performance?
My Scarlett interface is usb2 btw with nothing else connected.

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    timidi
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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/18 19:23:19 (permalink)
    I'll bump this as I'm a little leary of USB mice/keyboards. Actually, Can you still get a PS2 mouse/keyboard?

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/18 19:40:35 (permalink)
    jrmunday: post the make and model of the motherboard ..plz

    40 yrs and ns10's il help ya
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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/18 19:44:59 (permalink)
    If you like to minimize your interrupts then use USB and disable PS2 port in BIOS. USB is a good thing when it comes to mice and keyboards (I'm not sure it is such a great idea for sound cards, that's why I use firewire JUST for sound).

    It's unlikely it's a performance issue, more like a driver bug. Upgrade your chipset drivers , or perhaps your motherboards BIOS. If you've installed mouse software with a whole load of bells and whistles consider removing it.

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/18 20:02:29 (permalink)
    hay alex: Upgrade your chipset drivers , or perhaps your motherboards BIOS.  thats my line !!

    might be mouse software too...
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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/18 22:00:15 (permalink)
    I wonder what speed the USB on your motherboard is really if it has a PS/2 mouse port. That sounds very old to me. Do you think you have USB 2.0 ports but really they are USB 1.1? That definitely would cause some level of glitchiness.

    Just guessing but it has definitely been a while since I saw a motherboard with a PS/2 port.

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/18 22:36:58 (permalink)
    it has definitely been a while since I saw a motherboard with a PS/2 port.



    Brand new Asus here with PS2

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/18 22:49:55 (permalink)
    hows the new setup timidi >? gotta be awsom
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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/18 23:02:59 (permalink)
     Most Microsoft USB mice come with a PS/2 adapter; the last two I bought did, including one I bought recently for my new DAW build. I suggest the optical 3000 model. Make sure you have the visual settings in the Performance tab set to "best performance."

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/19 08:40:01 (permalink)
    StarTekh


    hows the new setup timidi >? gotta be awsom

    It's pretty nice StarT.

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/19 10:43:41 (permalink)
    Just to repeat PS/2 ports just like printer ports (LPT1) and com ports (COM1) take up valuable Interrupts..... best disabled in BIOS and use USB if you can.

    Do you think you have USB 2.0 ports but really they are USB 1.1? That definitely would cause some level of glitchiness.
    I not exactly sure what this means, but no it shouldn't. Devices should either work or not. More likely chipset drivers or BIOS is the issue here (see previous post).... or mouse software.

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/19 11:43:01 (permalink)
    Try moving the mouse or audio interface to a different USB port.
    Avoid USB-3 ports for the audio interface.
     
    Have a look at your system's DPC latency when moving the mouse.
    Did you load any software/drivers for the USB mouse?

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/19 18:18:09 (permalink)
    Sorry guys,
    Have been away for 24 hours. Got my DPC latency down to 6 microsecs after taking tips from this forum and a pc gaming fiend/friend - did that by disabling shedloads (HPET etc) in the bios.
    The usb mouse is a ****ty little £3 from Asda (Walmart).

    I am using USB 2 ports and move the interface and mouse around to see if that helps - but it doesn't.
    I haven't loaded any drivers or software for the mouse - just legacy win xp ones.
    I can easily get a new ps/2 mouse off ebay and might try that for now.
    Might treat myself to a tracker ball for Xmas :-(
    The motherboard is a 2 yr old Gigabyte GA-M720-US3  (AMD Phenom) with latest bios update.
    Running 2 big monitors with all accelerations turned off for best performance.

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/19 18:49:12 (permalink)
    jrmunday: this is your support page..

    http://www.gigabyte.com/p...-page.aspx?pid=3006#dl

    there you have a chipset driver option...

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    yes there old but made for your board, you can try them 1st and if that  wont correct the usb issue you can goto AMD and try their chipset drivers ! do reboot after install !!

    Note: im a very big fan of ps2 ports and was dissapointed when
    i had to switch to USB, but it workd out well here.. im Intel ...

    http://www.logitech.com/m...rackballs/devices/4680

    this is my mouse that I use from day to day, took a little getting
    used-to but is awsom in performance and 20.00 new.good luck

    im hoping the chipset/inf's work out for you..

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/19 20:30:56 (permalink)
    As far as USB vs PS/2 goes, it all depends on the motherboard; my recent build has an ASUS board that has all of the shared interrupts listed, and PS/2 devices are not among them, but USB ports are, so in my case I'm probably better off using a PS/2 mouse.

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/19 21:06:02 (permalink)
    munday.. see thats what you get for not shopping at tesco   tesco stock their own ones + logitech etc.

    bring it back , explain it has issues due to the drivers on it IF you can't get it working.

    you can still get PS2 mice around... or a converter with some mie that make a usb to ps2.

    also have a look at www.ebuyer.com also



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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/19 21:17:52 (permalink)
    personaly performance wise.. for no issues ...ps2 !!
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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/20 14:46:46 (permalink)
    I'd like to free up a USB port. I think I have a violet (keyboard) USB to PS/2 adapter somewhere. Should I make an effort and go look for it, or will my USB mouse require a green one?





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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/20 19:22:28 (permalink)
    > has an ASUS board that has all of the shared interrupts listed, and PS/2 devices are not among them.

    Look more carefully, or enable PS/2 port in your BIOS for it to be displayed. PS/2 WILL have an interrupt.
    IRQ4 or IRQ 12. If you have COM ports disable them in BIOS as well (unless you are still using a 56K modem).
    It is also possible you BIOS will autodisable the PS/2 port if nothing is plugged in initially (unusual but I have seen such a board).

    Anyway far better to use a USB hub or buy another USB card than use a PS/2 mouse.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS/2_connector

    http://www.webopedia.com/quick_ref/IRQnumbers.asp


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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/20 21:37:56 (permalink)
     Alex, you're missing my point. I understand that your priority is eliminating an interrupt so there is less loading of the cpu, but I'm more concerned about critical devices having to share an interrupt. The PS/2 mouse on my system uses IRQ 12 by itself, but all of the USB 2.0 ports share IRQ 23; if I were running a USB soundcard along with a USB mouse and USB keyboard, they would all be competing for the same maintenance time from the cpu. To avoid conflicts I chose firewire for my soundcard, which shares an interrupt with the USB 3.0 port and the third PCIe bus, neither of which are in use on my machine. With the current setup, the mouse, keyboard, and firewire card each has its own interrupt.

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/21 21:41:48 (permalink)
    Yup I get you Guitslinger.... all good points... but...
    Somebody may correct me but I believe USB works more like ethernet, i.e. it's a bandwidth thing, rather than the IRQ method of polling interrupts (a bit like the network token ring method), this makes USB far more efficient as it understands how to (in effect) prioritise the devices more efficiently. Of course the USB controller itself will have an IRQ but I'm talking about the devices attached to that.... from that one could conclude using a mouse/keyboard should take up a trivial amount of bandwidth...

    My real view that is this is more desirable scenario than having an extra couple of interrupts being polled... and like I said, if you are concerned about multiple USB device attached to a controller, you can buy another USB card which would use just one interrupt... and then your sound card could run off that standalone (or keyboard or mouse or whatever).... just like a dedicated firewire card.... that's assuming you have a PCI slot spare.


    > To avoid conflicts I chose firewire for my soundcard,
    Me too good call. Plus USB can be a nightmare for sound cards in my view (as there are so many standards, not all of them implemented correctly)..
     

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    Re:PS/2 vs USB mouse 2011/10/21 23:26:29 (permalink)
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    > To avoid conflicts I chose firewire for my soundcard,
    Me too good call. Plus USB can be a nightmare for sound cards in my view (as there are so many standards, not all of them implemented correctly)..
           
    that used to be the case back in the day (MANY moons ago) as did the whole IRQ sharing thing (I ran 3 soundcards in 1 pc back in 2002 or something and it was a big juggling act IRQ wise) .. you see a fair few on here posting issues about firewire and chipset issues .
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    Re: PS/2 vs USB mouse 2016/10/04 14:43:04 (permalink)
    Yes you can still get a PS2 mouse and keyboard which I am ordering myself today. I was normalizing tracks after a 3 hour recording session and while that was working went clicking around with my mouse only to have the system freeze.  Needless to say I lost everything since I had to shut the program down!  My bad for not saving it first. :-( My feelings about using a USB mouse and keyboard is that I don't need anything interfering with the processing especially when you're dealing with 24 tracks simultaneously.

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    Re: PS/2 vs USB mouse 2016/10/04 15:22:25 (permalink)
    Well done for replying to a 5 year old thread
     
    Anyway, I've been using USB Mice & Keyboards for over a decade, more recently using wireless models, and have never had a single glitch or freeze due to mouse related problems.
     
    However, one caveat I should mention, my interface has always been Firewire, so there's little chance of conflicts happening.

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    Re: PS/2 vs USB mouse 2016/10/04 16:39:31 (permalink)
    I'm still using a PS2 keyboard and mouse with ps2 adapter. Occasionally the mouse will freeze but that is due to the KVM more than a system board or mouse issue. I need to get a USB KVM but just don't want to let go of those $$$ to replace something that is working.

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