Rain
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Pro Tools 10 already?!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...k&feature=youtu.be 32 bit FP and clip automation. I guess they mean business. lol Seriously, the line begins to blur as a certain band used to sing... EDIT: And an upgrade price between $300 and $500. Sort of glad I finally opted out.
post edited by Rain - 2011/10/21 00:01:30
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/21 00:39:32
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Talk about a lean update!
Samplitude offered 32Bit Float file support 10 years ago.
This update is about as exciting as Kontakt 5.
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/21 00:59:10
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This update is about as exciting as Kontakt 5. 
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/24 13:25:10
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The release of PT 10 really made me feel good about what Roland is doing with Sonar. I must confess, I did buy PT 9 Native so that I was able to calloborate a bit better with folks on the web that insist my work is done in PT. That said, I was extremely disappointed in how little was offered for the $300 upgrade AND the fact that v 10 came out less than 7 months after I bought PT 9 Native, which wasn't too far after release! HD owners have to pay $1,000 to upgrade to the next version. Let me say to Roland that you have a really good thing going here. You redesigned Sonar w/X1 and worked most of kinks out through updates a, and b - you could have charged for version c, and you didn't! That's huge for me. Those are the types of things I feel create loyalty. No software is perfect, but PT 9 native is so behind even Sonar 7 it's not even funny. Avid doesn't know whether they're coming or going right now. They want to make money from selling the hardware packages but they can't get to 64 bit with RTAS and TDM plug formats. It's a total mess right now. I just wanted to say that I appreciate what Roland has done with Sonar. I feel the upgrade pricing each year (for me it's been since V4) has been fair.
post edited by DragonLips - 2011/10/24 13:27:12
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/24 15:19:26
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DragonLips
You redesigned Sonar w/X1 and worked most of kinks out through updates a, and b - you could have charged for version c, and you didn't!
They did, however, charge for version D. (Look for it under it's marketing name, "X1 Expanded".)
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/24 15:31:15
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Indeed, but unlike AVid, they didn't charge $300 for it. It's priced very fairly in my opinion.
I think with X1 Roland realized there were some bugs in the new system that may not have existed in v7 or v8. X1 always worked well for me, even with the first release, but Roland kept working through the issues. I like to compare the X1c release with PT 10, because I really think it epitomizes how each company feels about their customers. Roland looked to deliver a better X1 with some nice new bells and whistles at no charge to the customer. That set the stage for Expanded - which in my opinion I was happy to buy at the price it was. I hope with each disaster at Avid the "other guys" get stronger! I think the fanboys over there are starting to get the picture.
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Rain
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/24 15:51:06
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Well, AVID wanted to take over the smaller guys market. Doing so the opened a can of worm. Most of us have been at it using other DAW software for quite a while and adding 32 Floating Point and clip based automation to PT doesn't really come across as an innovation - they're just catching up. So when the upgrade is that expensive, it may be harder to swallow.
Furthermore, after 10 years of justifying themselves by saying that this and that wasn't necessary and that the benefits of certain things were questionable, they look kind of silly outlining the benefits of those very things in their sales pitch.
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/26 20:19:25
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/26 21:16:40
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wormser
The ProTools forums are in flames.
http://duc.avid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=91
Glad I jumped ship on my small HD rig years ago and never looked back.
Wow, you aren't kidding. That place is making the X1 release look smooth.
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/26 21:28:24
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It does!! It is amazing how many threads there are that have that vibe in them! Sheesh! One claims an upgrade price of $999.00?? http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=310278 Read OP...what?
post edited by trimph1 - 2011/10/26 21:32:50
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/26 23:30:38
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I'm telling ya, getting really nasty over there. I've always respected Protools for being the "de-facto standard" and for doing what it advertises very well. Sure the others, including Sonar, have long ago passed ProTools in terms of features and so forth, but Protools is the system you are going to find in the top studios.
I think the tide is starting to turn away from Protools though.
It's very, very, very slow, but I sense that people are realizing the Emperor has no clothes. I wonder as the big boys look at moving onward with their aging hardware, if Protools is even on the map?
People are really pissed at this latest avid fiasco and the fact that Protools STILL isn't 64 bit isn't helping matters.
I dunno, but it's going to be interesting.
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/26 23:44:30
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If you are not a top audio guy why would you buy into ProTools? For the catchet- you kind of tell yourself you are using the program all the top guys are using. There's no other reason- it's not competitively priced and without HD hardware integration there is no advantage with latency/stability. If you are one of the top guys why wouldn't you be using ProTools. ProTools HD totally kicks ass and nothing else comes close (beacuse of awesome hardware integration).
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trimph1
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/27 06:56:51
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/27 08:35:51
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/27 09:00:02
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Wow! That's not good! Man, what is going on?? I feel bad for the people who lost their jobs and also the PT users. How will this affect their product?
Scary stuff...
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Rain
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/27 09:06:04
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trimph1
It does!!
It is amazing how many threads there are that have that vibe in them! Sheesh!
One claims an upgrade price of $999.00??
http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=310278
Read OP...what?
Upgrade prices range from $299 to $2499, depending on which version you're upgrading from.
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Re:Pro Tools 10 already?!
2011/10/27 09:17:37
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That's what happens when you don't listen to your customer base. Owning the defacto industry standard could only go so far. Reminds me of back when I was a kid and if you owned a Honda car, you were a bit of a joke. Who wanted some Japanese automobile when the best cars were made in Detroit? And that's what they (Detroit) kept telling themselves and one day they woke up to find themselves surrounded by oriental iron.
Avid had a long time to catch themselves up with what was going on outside their little bubble. The HD dongle system isn't going to give you much cash flow and now that they are trying to play in the Native system playground they find that they are outgunned and outclassed by all other platforms out their.
I was going to play the PT 9 game but there is no way I'm going to a 32 bit program for a hit of hollow name recognition. Especially at the price of admission.
PT, it was good to know ya.
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