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2011/10/24 14:52:16 (permalink)

ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution?

Hello Everyone, I figured I would make a separate topic for this as it will probably lead to some good discussion and easier to find for others researching as I am.   

I am buying a laptop and also going to purchase an external USB or Firewire Audio Interface which I will use at home to work with.  However, when I am traveling, I would like a portable solution.   I just want to carry around the laptop and a small 25-key USB MIDI Keyboard.  I would like to leave the audio interface at home (since most need power from a wall outlet, no?)    

I am reading all about ASIO4ALL making standard laptop soundcards work with Sonar because it acts like an ASIO driver.  Seems like a good solution but I have a few questions:


#1.  When working in a project at home on a project with the external audio interface, will the same project have problems opening up using ASIO4ALL?  Will there need to be some manual intervention for each project?    

#2.  In addition, what if at home I am recording at 24bit/96k and on the road ASIO4ALL is only capable of 16bit/44.1?  Any problems there?  

#3.  When mixing down from ASIO4ALL, do I still have the 64-bit double precision export option for mixdowns?

#4.  Does ASIO4ALL have the same sound quality as a standard external audio interface?   Any cracks, static, pops, etc....

#5.  Is ASIO4ALL supported by Cakewalk?  Is there an official Cakewalk solution to going mobile without your external audio interface?


If anyone has anything else to add to this discussion it would be greatly appreciated.

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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 14:58:53 (permalink)
it's a quick fix and not guaranteed 100% to work.. no substitute for a decent sound card

it's a bit like buying a ferrari and using cheap car parts with it.. I never get the logic of it.. you spend a fortune on a decent pc/software.. yet don't factor a soundcard into it.

 of course it's not supported by cakewalk as it's not their product, as much as things like rewire etc aren't.. but sure you can TRY to use it.

you don't have to spend a fortune on a decent soundcard, but it makes me wonder why people skimp so much.. yet will buy a top of the range laptop. 

some programs like reason are more forgiving BUT I'd still not use an onboard unless I REALLY had to.


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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 15:00:52 (permalink)
Fog,


Did you read my full post?   I am getting a REAL audio interface.  I am just curious about ASIO4ALL when I want to travel light :)


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Adam
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it's a quick fix and not guaranteed 100% to work.. no substitute for a decent sound card

it's a bit like buying a ferrari and using cheap car parts with it.. I never get the logic of it.. you spend a fortune on a decent pc/software.. yet don't factor a soundcard into it.

of course it's not supported by cakewalk as it's not their product, as much as things like rewire etc aren't.. but sure you can TRY to use it.

you don't have to spend a fortune on a decent soundcard, but it makes me wonder why people skimp so much.. yet will buy a top of the range laptop. 

some programs like reason are more forgiving BUT I'd still not use an onboard unless I REALLY had to.



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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 16:45:10 (permalink)
I use ASIO4ALL on my battered 'ol dualcore mobile.
It works fine with Sonar, but does seem to work better on some systems than others.
Really not sure why?
Anyway, golden rule is to keep CPU usage pretty light, this seems to keep things very stable.
I've not and wouldn't want to record through the lappy's mic input so can't comment
on that part of your post.

My suggestion would simply be to test it on your system.

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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 20:24:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
One issue that you will probably run into is that you may have problems using ASIO4ALL and the ASIO driver for your 'at home' sound card on the same PC configuration (assuming that your 'real' soundcard uses ASIO drivers).  You may find that you will need to uninstall ASIO4ALL when you are at home (so you can use your good stuff) and reinstall it when you go on the road (so you can use the internal card).  This shouldn't be a real problem once you figure out where to save an ASIO4ALL install and how to uninstall it from the control pannel.  This should be a quick process.
 
ASIO4ALL just works for me on a laptop with the internal sound card.  I think it is a good compromise.  You should try the approach.
 
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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 21:19:46 (permalink)
Dadeefe


Fog,


Did you read my full post?   I am getting a REAL audio interface.  I am just curious about ASIO4ALL when I want to travel light :)


yes I did .. and if you bothered to do a bit more research instead of ragging on me,  you'll find there are "ok" ASIO based very small interfaces that don't have a big foot print / take NO external power good enough for if your using them mobile environment (that lack the connectivity of bigger interfaces) cakewalk sells at least 1 for example.


I suggest you re-read what I bothered to write.  google is your friend.. if your too lazy to do maybe 1 hours of research (if that, more like 5-10 minutes at most)  ,that down to you.. no one else. OR you just ask 2 pro audio shops for solutions and you might find both give you very simular solutions.. is asio4all a decent solution to your "issue" , in my eyes nope because it is dependant on other things + not funded = the guy can give up tomorrow.

post edited by Fog - 2011/10/24 21:48:51
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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 21:45:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Asio4All works great for lots of things. I don't use it for recording audio or final mixes, but for just about anything else - yeah, its nice to be able to whip out the laptop and edit clips, fix MIDI parts, audition patches, etc.. If your laptop has Realteck drivers check out the latest one release. The previous driver release was pure crap but this one (v6.0.1.6449) is decent. Realtek updates 32 & 64 bit drivers http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2386473

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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 21:59:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Hi Dadeefe:

ASIO4ALL could be OK for you. As said above, try it and see. The main concern is that ASIO4ALL doesn't perform well at lower latency settings without pops, click, and dropouts. There is no need to uninstall ASIO4ALL if you have two audio interfaces that use ASIO drivers. The solution is to choose the drivers you want to use in SONAR Preferences. Only one ASIO driver can be used at a time, so in Preferences, under Audio>Devices, only select the drivers for the one audio interface you want to use. You have to uncheck all the inputs/outputs for one device in order to be able to select the inputs/outputs for another device.

Also as mentioned above, there are audio interfaces made especially for mobile use. These audio interfaces are small and run on bus power (USB or Firewire), so there's no need for an AC adapter to be used. One example is the RME Babyface, but there are less expensive ones available, too. You just have to search, or ask here. :)



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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 22:19:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpful

My experience / 2 cents...
#1.  When working in a project at home on a project with the external audio interface, will the same project have problems opening up using ASIO4ALL?  Will there need to be some manual intervention for each project? 
 No, sometime Sonar gets confused & I have to switch drivers to Asio4All. I'm using Sonar X1c - with previous Sonar versions and previous Realtek drivers blue screens and Sonar freezing happened frequently.
#2.  In addition, what if at home I am recording at 24bit/96k and on the road ASIO4ALL is only capable of 16bit/44.1?  Any problems there?
Most of my projects are 24/44.1.

#3.  When mixing down from ASIO4ALL, do I still have the 64-bit double precision export option for mixdowns?
 I always have that option set on. I don't do anything other that rough mixes with ASIO4ALL. Most laptop's sound horrible and you end up compensating for things that aren't problems and ignoring things that truly are. Laptops make crappy monitors.
#4.  Does ASIO4ALL have the same sound quality as a standard external audio interface?   Any cracks, static, pops, etc.... 
Crackling, pops, etc. - depends on your audio drivers (see my previous post), how you have Sonar set up, what else is running in the background. I don't use ASIO4ALL for recording audio - too much latency.  

#5.  Is ASIO4ALL supported by Cakewalk?  Is there an official Cakewalk solution to going mobile without your external audio interface?
No & No. But X1c, at least on my laptop, is the most ASIO4ALL friendly version of Sonar.

Really if this interest you check it out. If it works for you great.

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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/24 23:23:14 (permalink)
Hi,with my Dell XPS L502x[bought Aprill 2011]my UA-25EX could NOT get any lower than 28ms of RTL latency!![and about 45!!! for a stable sound]However by using ASIO4all with the on board Realtek and setting just for playback[no recording] with ASIO4all[which is just a wrapper for the WDM Driver]Im able to get a Genuine "2ms RTLatency"!! AMAZING.Unfortunately the Dell "Waves Maxxaudio" control box is messing with the "Line In" and recording is proving impossible[SONAR won't recognize any signal from line in] SONAR and the Laptop ONLY get, the ALWAYS turned on[NO way to disable] built in mic!Im just in the process of setting up my i7 2600K Desktop, and there, the on board Realtek is Totally NON Functional with SONAR,ASIO4all or NOT!!However the UA-25EX is working OK at 11ms RTLatency[LOWEST Possible or crackles/NO Sound], and recording IS possible,BUT New PC,New problems!!!! The "Studio Instruments" Bass Guitar is Behaving Weird! If I lower the "Pitch"[via the "T" adjuster] in the GUI,you know the "up" "down" adjuster,on the immediate Right of the "program[type of bass sound:Bassman,Default,Agressive etc]THE WHOLE LOW  "E" STRING BECOMES SILENT! I must say IM getting tired of All the little bugs or problems.Although when running properly X1c Expanded is Amazing.Cheers RK.


 
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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/25 00:56:51 (permalink)
Geez, no need to have a chip on your shoulder.   I wasn't even trying to be rude, I was just asking if you read my entire post because it didn't seem like it since I stated that I knew an audio interface was better than ASIO4ALL.   

I also HAVE done research and Google'd it, BUT I thought it would also be good RESEARCH to ask the Cakewalk Community, no?   Why is that that if one posts a question on here it should be applied one hasn't done their research?  This IS research :)


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Dadeefe


Fog,


Did you read my full post?   I am getting a REAL audio interface.  I am just curious about ASIO4ALL when I want to travel light :)


yes I did .. and if you bothered to do a bit more research instead of ragging on me,  you'll find there are "ok" ASIO based very small interfaces that don't have a big foot print / take NO external power good enough for if your using them mobile environment (that lack the connectivity of bigger interfaces) cakewalk sells at least 1 for example.


I suggest you re-read what I bothered to write.  google is your friend.. if your too lazy to do maybe 1 hours of research (if that, more like 5-10 minutes at most)  ,that down to you.. no one else. OR you just ask 2 pro audio shops for solutions and you might find both give you very simular solutions.. is asio4all a decent solution to your "issue" , in my eyes nope because it is dependant on other things + not funded = the guy can give up tomorrow.



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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/25 01:01:58 (permalink)
Thank you all for the great replies.  I will have a go with it and see how it is!  Very much appreciate all your replies my friends!!!

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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/25 12:17:47 (permalink)
Dadeefe:

I absolutely concur with TheStevens findings.  It's a good solution for anything ITB when you are on the move.  I even used it for a year before bothering to get an interface.

If you were a dog maybe you'd notice some sonic differences when playing back and of course there are none when you are processing inside of Sonar. Latency for me has always been fine with it but of course YMMV.

It's a really handy gizmo to have around for the uses you want to put it too.

Great price too...

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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/25 12:55:11 (permalink)
Instead of ASIO4ALL, you might also try running your laptop audio in WASAPI (WAVE-RT) mode. If it's available at all, then it will show up as an option in SONAR's Preferences. It could possibly work with lower latency / higher stability than ASIO4ALL. I haven't tried it on a laptop myself, but others around here have.
 
If you have Realtek audio on your laptop, I have seen posts for the latest 32/64 bit Realtek drivers reporting very good results on WASAPI (perhaps by TheSteven?). That's good, because the previous 64-bit releases were (reportedly) not so good at all.

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Re:ASIO4ALL as a Mobile Solution? 2011/10/25 13:16:39 (permalink)
Dadeefe: I run ASIO4ALL on all my service boxes here without any problems. My lappy too. I think you will have 0 problems. I run them on 2 stock Dell Inspiron 580's with Win 7 x64, i3, 4 gig RAM, one Dell 620s with an i5, 6 gig RAM, an old box with Win XP with 1 gig processor and 512 RAM, and my lappy running Vista running quad core and 4 gig of RAM without any problems at all. I'm able to get down to 64 samples and never have any latency. When I need to record softsynths in real time, I use Bomes midi keyboard which allows me to use my QWERTY as a midi controller. I have no problems using EZDrummer, Superior, Dim Pro or any other VSTi in this manner.

I can also use all the latest guitar sims in real time as well by simply plugging into line in. As soon as I'm done recording something, I push the latency slider to 2048 for mixing etc...but I've had no problems recording, mixing or editing...and like I said, I'm using it on 5 different boxes without any issues. I know some people have had issues with these drivers...but I haven't at all using the latest ones and as you can see, I'm running quite a few systems here with various stats and hardware. All the systems are running Realtek HD stock cards with the exception of the lappy....I think it's some sort of intel soundcard or something. But whatever it is...it works fine too. Best of luck!

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