Lanceindastudio


Having something new before everyone else for a good chunk of time that may help me add to what I am doing and/or have some fun is worth $75.

If I had to buy each version of sonar to get their features plus the new one, I would buy a 4 track-

I'm with you Lance... On this point... Small price to pay to have the tools now and not wait... There will be other new things later...

If they didn't do upgrades and we were forced to buy new each time, I think they would have to start a guarantee that everything in it will work as advertised... ;-) ...or give people refunds when it didn't.

We'd all buy far fewer products. when I bought my Ampex ATR-102, I never thought about replacing it... only adding a Studer 1/2"... ;-)

Keni

Syntheticpop, the statement that it was half baked is not true when compared to other DAWS.

Bugs happen in DAWS of all types, a lot. And with PC based DAWS, so many more options are available, which I ultimately favor despite the complexity, and it is MUSH MUSH harder to make things work for everyone.

That said, like all DAWS, there are some bugs that have nothing to do with hardware/OS variables. They are just bugs.

I am growing tired of people saying X1 was half baked. They took longer than any release to release it and they haven't done a true upgrade since then, just fixes and a cool optional additive expansion. Wehn Logic rewrite came out, they had some very dark times, but any logic user that used the old version can agree it was worth the rough times. 

I want things fixed in sonar as much as yall do, but I know the grass aint greener, and man, Ill be damned if Sonar isn't exactly the best software for me.

I have sat in pro tools session at very VERY famous producers/artists place and watched them waste 2 hours trying to fix something with pro tools in front of me, or Cubase... both on a MAC...

I want sonar to get better, more agile, gapless audio engine when doing anything during plklayback, just overall more rock solid, but it aint some weird failure compared to the other ones. It is QUITE QUITE competitive in stability and functionality.

Lance

Only time will tell what their' (The Bakers) plans are... If they told us, we'd simply start telling them what's wrong with the idea! ;-)

Don't worry Keni there's plenty that don't need to wait for facts, they're quite happy doing that already based on their own speculation. I tell ya' if some can't find something real to moan about, they just invent it...........

FastBikerBoy I posted on here a while ago my hunch.... there won't be an X2, or not for a long time. I think X1 will just continue to be upgraded and added to, some for free, some paid upgrades. The actual product though will continue as X1. That's what I've deduced from reading between the blurb and it seems to be the way it's going as well. I guess as we get through the next 6 months or so things will become clearer. After all one of the common requests on here is to break the yearly upgrade cycle. Mind you one of the other biggest requests was to overhaul the UI and look at the appreciation that got. I expect the moaning that there is no X2 will kick off soon.

 

 I totally agree with every sentence

 
 
That is basically what Ryan or Brandon said in a post about Expanded when it was released.
 
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syntheticpop


So Keni, what you're trying to say is that a half baked product at a half price is better than waiting for the full fledged version. Pizza by the slice instead of a Large pizza. I'll take the bite if they throw in a FREE soda. I just hope there will be more advantages to upgrading to Expanded than the features like it's usability in the next full version or a price break for those who Expanded. It would also be good if they rolled out additional features for Expanded or at least for the next X1 update. Some folks like their X1 more customizable. So instead of a bunch of brand new features, maybe focus on the features that need improving. I'm hoping that's the case and they are working hard on getting that part of X1 squared away. If they want to make X1 the best DAW in the industry, I'm for that too.

I think of it a bit more this way... A new tool is always welcome. I know what I'd prefer the Bakers' work on, but that's for my slant and needs... That is not the same as Cakewalk's needs. They have a far better look at the field than I do I'm sure... as well as I believe they know these new improvements their' competitors are arriving with long before we know of them...

So they chose their' direction... and I always hope that it's good for me too, but I can't expect everything my way. Over the years they have always given me a good working platform with many of the latest tools... sometimes the leader and sometimes the follower, but it had to work for them as well.

Personally I prefer the yearly release as it gives me a set time to plan on and look forward to while during the year I look for fixes and get pleased with whatever extras they give then too... Sometimes the development time of these things and their related issues keep some development pushed back and other things brought to the foreground.

I'm sure by this time the Bakers are well aware of my personal desires for Sonar.... well, at least many of them... I've been pretty laid back these last few years... ;-)

I look forward to the development of Sonar thru and beyond this X1 phase... and I will continue to add as many enhancements as I can (even if I never use many)... For the few that become important! ;-)

The amount of money in discussion here isn't enuf to change my life... as poor as I am, this is small change for me to spend in a year... I mean, I just paid $120 for a new synth, gate, (tube) enhancer, and fixes... And as they're digital, scores of each...

I've been a studio builder/owner most of my life and still remember buying my first devices... one at a time and months apart as they were so hard to afford....

So to summarize my view? I wish they focused more on fixes and adjustments/improvements to what they have and stopped developing new things..... for a while... But that probably isn't practical as falling behind on any front weakens the marketing/needs of the majority...

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Keni

I think X2 is going to happen in the future, and expanded is both a means to generate revenue for the time being and most importantly a way to test if this would work. People have been asking for modular releases for a long time. Though they are normally focused on a particular function - like how many of us would pay 70 dollars for more functional notation? I would without a second thought. Atleast that would have a focused audience and really help out some users. I can't help but feel this has been rushed, or just a number of features that were in development thrown together. If you actually analysis what was included in expanded, it doesn't make a lot of sense. If it was X1 Expanded: Prochannel with 5 add ons to the PC it would make sense, but a couple of work flow features that are obviously useful doesn't. It feels more like a way to grab cash from dedicated Sonar uses who want to support the company. Regarding the cost, I doubt these features would be left out of X2 as it would create another tier in the product, which has no functional purpose in being another tier. I assume they would be integrated into X2 and the owners of X1e would be given a smaller upgrade price to make up for it. Atleast this means if they don't want to upgrade they still have features that were not part of X1. I would say if this works, Cakewalk would repeat the same process through the X2 cycle. I am personally interested to see if it turns out well or backfires... (Sorry for some reason line breaks are refusing to work in the message editor :( )

(Sorry for some reason line breaks are refusing to work in the message editor :( )

This forum software does not get along with Firefox versions after 5, and some other browser as well.  CW asks its users to constantly upgrade/update but they won't update their own Forum software lol.

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