Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc.

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2011/10/28 12:32:24 (permalink)

Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc.

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I missed the 'metal' boat in the 90's and hoped to get guitarists' impressions on metal ... tone character:
 
How much hyper-compressed distortion-noise (crackle, rumble, hiss, sibs, etc.) is acceptable for you and why? 
 
I realize that much guitar character is rendered lifeless without the *grating* noise saturations being smeared/glued into your guitar sample/performance.  It is an artform with +/- affects.
 
Myself: I love
 
1) the white noise in 'chosen sections'... as a buffer or ambient element
 
2) Dirty grey areas in the mix that are followed by purer melodies
 
3) For controlled 'anger management', life-blood, passion release
 
4) Etc.
post edited by Philip - 2011/10/28 12:45:17

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    Re:Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc. 2011/10/28 13:06:52 (permalink)
    I won't get too involved in this but today...the more modern sounds have a bit more presence and "sizzle". For example, here is a tone I quite like for today's times.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH799LhZnJI

    Here's another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFLXxqoapPY&ob=av2e

    One more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xcao3gmSz0

    The 80's type tones had a bit more mid-range and were compressed a bit more in the tone instead of the whole mix like what we hear today. Also, these are mastered so anything that resembles something bad was removed. But you should hear similar artifacts that you recognize. Hope this helps a bit. :)

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    Re:Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc. 2011/10/28 13:08:01 (permalink)
    my most favorite 90's distorted tones, were made by alice in chains, guano apes, cosmosquad, pantera, seplutura, anthrax, slipknot.....

    and i was never into death metal, speed metal, or any of the 'genre' metals....
    just what I describe as 'metal' tones.... hell, even the edge with U2 used some sounds that could be described as 'metal'.

    but, back to point...

    all of the tones i dig, were done with the guitar, the amp, the player.
    a good mic.

    and very little studio processing.



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    Re:Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc. 2011/10/28 13:09:02 (permalink)
    a les paul with burstbuckers and a Bogner Shiva will get you there....

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    Re:Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc. 2011/10/28 13:31:06 (permalink)
    Danny; that stuff is awesome, totally majestic!

    Bat: that clears things a lot "very little studio processing" ... haha!

    Yeah, these metaloids are pretty robust giants!

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    Re:Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc. 2011/10/28 13:36:30 (permalink)
    production is the key these days...check out albums by colin richardson and andy sneap... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90HLwl6IfA for example...

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    Re:Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc. 2011/10/28 15:07:22 (permalink)
    philip
    well, what i mean is, the sound that they had coming off their rig, was pretty much the sound captured and mixed.

    maybe they put a bit of eq and compression on the track at mixdown, but the SOUND of a tube guitar amp getting absolutely pummeled, and then the CRAFT of the player to find a way to make his guitar sound CLEAR while brutally eq'd and gained, is THAT sound.

    no tricks, just a good amp and a good guitar and a good player.


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    Re:Dist Guitar in Metal ... White noise etc. 2011/10/29 22:48:39 (permalink)
    I think mgh is referring to 'some' guitars that are studio processed, else the artistry that goes into making the production with guitars.

    Bat, I understand everything you stated ... but thanks for re-validating. 

    The current guitarist I'm working with processes things to the point where there's little the producer (moi) can do to tighten things without messing up the guitar tone-timbre.

    I've produced "pulsating white noise" while squashing some rhythm tracks ... I deftly *cleaned* them superficially ... with the Waves z-noise remover ... haha!  ... then I realized I sculpted too much!

    OTOH: Using a hiss-hum noise remover for squashed vocs is similar ... for cutting some of the upper mids and highs via EQs and LPFs.  With vocs it seems more acceptable to *clean* the comp noise at certain freqs.

    Bat, I remember you once warned of squashing vocs: having to cut some of the mids and highs ... due to the unwanted noise or such.

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