Recording at 48\24?

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2011/10/28 20:16:52 (permalink)

Recording at 48\24?

I have for many years recorded all my projects at 44.1\24. But my guitar wonder box now has USB recording, but its set at 48.
I imagine I cannot mix sample rates. Basic querstion. If I record a project at 48\24 when I mix it down and expor to Sound forge 10 for mastering I usually end up dithering with Ozone. Would my method still be the same? IOW, just set my sights to output to 44.1\16 and it's that simple? Sorry, I know this is a dumb question-just never varied from what I do before.
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    emwhy
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/28 20:35:54 (permalink)
    Crazy thought, but can you get the sample rate up to 88? If you're crunching down to 44 it's a better choice because it only has to cut things in half so to speak.
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/28 21:26:55 (permalink)
    I don't think so. I mean a get great results with the AxeFXII using the balanced analog outs. Same thing when I had the Ultra before this. But I have noticed on the Fractal forum that most(since it's there now) are using the USB out to record.
    I guess first I should make a recording of the same song -  one with the balanced outs and 1 with the USB.
    I have been doing this a very look time, but I am really just a guitar slinger who has owned CW since, well the flood.
    Thanks for the suggestion, I will check to make sure.

     
     
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 01:45:03 (permalink)
    FWIW 48/24 is my standard recording set up. I don't use Sound Forge or Ozone but I do know that there is no need to dither until you reduce the bit depth, and in fact you shouldn't dither until that point. Dither will introduce noise in the wave file and should ideally be done only once. So says Roey Izahki in "Mixing Audio" and if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me.

    So if you're mixing down for export to Sound Forge keeping it at 48/24, same for Ozone and then dither when reducing down to 44.1/16. That's assuming that they will both handle files at that resolution.
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 09:58:03 (permalink)
    OK-Makes sense. I have that book also. I do only dither at the end. Some existing(10-15) projects are alsready recorded at 41\24 so I guess I am dead there. But I am starting 2 new ones this week so I'll do the 48\24. One of the main reasons for the 48 is with the AxeFXII I can record multiple signals at once-great for reamping and mixing wet and dry recordings. Shortly the USB will be 4X4.
    Anyway-Thanks.

     
     
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 10:31:24 (permalink)
    You can always convert the 44.1/24 wav files from each project to 48/24 using Voxengo's r8brain pro (with the project closed).
    That's what I did when I switched from a consumer card to a pro card and the projects reopened at 48/24.
    Voxengo also has a free version somewhere called r8brain but I didn't try that.
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 10:32:52 (permalink)
    BTW, just noticed that now the free version is the "light" version of r8brain pro.


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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 10:53:51 (permalink)
    OK-I'll make a copy of one and give it a shot. Wonder if Sound forge 10 pro will do this also?

     
     
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 10:55:18 (permalink)
    sf10 includes the izotope mastering/dithering bits, so yes it will

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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 11:21:45 (permalink)
    My standard rate and depth are also 24/48 basically just a habit formed when my old E-Mu card seemed to prefer 48kHz.

    Yes your current export process will remain the same, straight out to 44.1/16.  It is that simple.

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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 15:12:25 (permalink)
    OK-Thanks guys . I also own Izotope 4 and Alloy-so I have that covered.
    The input is much appreciated. I hope I can convert the existing projects-about 10. But I do keep all backups so I have the projects with the original softsynths and midi. I only record "all guitars" live abd all vocals. Drums, bass and keys I have been sequencing since my Kawai Q-80-yuo that long ago.
    Thanks again

     
     
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 15:39:47 (permalink)
    gustabo

    BTW, just noticed that now the free version is the "light" version of r8brain pro.
    FYI--I tried to download the r8brain "light" version, but it is not really free, it is light.  It cost $59.95.  Yes, it is listed on the top of the page with the free Vsts, but it does not show up when selected.  See http://www.voxengo.com/gr...e-vst-plugins/#r8brain

    I finally found I could access the light version only by going to the r8brain pro page http://www.voxengo.com/pr...pro/    Then at the top of the page you can select either the pro or the light to go in the shopping cart.  The light version shows up for $59.95.




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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 16:15:34 (permalink)
    Yes I tried that. I downloaded a different free one called SOX. Haven't tried it yet. Open source which in my experience has been good

     
     
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    Re:Recording at 48\24? 2011/10/29 16:52:13 (permalink)
    48 kHz is the standard rate for video (and Jonbouy, old creative cards native rate - I'm still hearing clicks in old albums I converted to CDs back when).  Nothing wrong w/ using it.

    The old arguements were "48 is better I can hear the higher frequencies," which always seemed dubious to me (unless you were using the creative cards, which did resampling on the fly and not very well).  the counter arguement was the errors introduced by downsampling to 44.1.  Well, progress is nice and the current programs don't have many if any artifacts.  So use 48 and don't worry about getting it down to 44.1.  Just don't tell me you can hear the higher frequencies. ;-)

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