Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks

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2011/11/01 02:19:37 (permalink)

Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks

Time to call upon the good and knowledgeable people of the Sonar X1 Forums! 

I am presently only using 3 tracks in my song that was going along well until... until I froze two tracks. I had two instances of Omnisphere and one Addictive Drums Drum track running successfully with no pressing need to freeze anything. But, I froze the drum track and one omnisphere track so that I could easily add another instance of Omnisphere and continue to develop the song, perhaps adding other VST's, later.

But, alas my fun was stopped when I could no longer play the tracks as they repeatedly suffered audio  engine dropouts. And everything has been going fine otherwise. I've exported audio from other finished work and ect ... but this was my first time to freeze any tracks, and these audio engine failures are very disappointing. What, if anything  have I done wrong?

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    CJaysMusic
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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/01 09:40:15 (permalink)
    Did you try rasing your ASIo buffers or WDm slider?
    Do you have a dedicated hard rive for audio only?
    Does your C drive and audio drive spin at 7200 RPM's?

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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/01 11:05:16 (permalink)
    I'd be surprised if the dropouts were caused by freezing tracks. More likely, it's a coincidence and the dropouts are the result of some other process on your computer. Easy way to find out: un-freeze the tracks and see if the problem goes away.


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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/01 15:57:33 (permalink)

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    I'd be surprised if the dropouts were caused by freezing tracks. More likely, it's a coincidence and the dropouts are the result of some other process on your computer. Easy way to find out: un-freeze the tracks and see if the problem goes away.

    Thanks for your reply. I would agree that it seems odd to have this happen when freezing these tracks, yet I ran DPC Latency checker  during the dropouts, and found nothing coming up that would indicate any problems with background device drivers that might lead to a dropout. [Are there any other activities that might cause drop-outs?] And, of course, as you suggested, I have no problems again after I unfroze both tracks. 
    I had no problem either, when exporting my work to an audio file.



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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/01 16:03:57 (permalink)
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    Did you try rasing your ASIo buffers or WDm slider?
    Do you have a dedicated hard rive for audio only?
    Does your C drive and audio drive spin at 7200 RPM's?

    Cj
    Thanks for your reply! I appreciate it. I have no audio problems whatsoever until I freeze these tracks, even though I use a single 5400 hard drive [I have a laptop] My ASIO buffers appear very well suited for everything, so far. Do frozen tracks take up more resources than unfrozen? If not, I can't see why things become more difficult after freezing tracks that are otherwise freeing up CPU and RAM, and hard drive activity, if I understand the freezing processes and benefits correctly.


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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/01 17:47:55 (permalink)
    Your 5400 hard drive is the problem and the fact your not using another hard drive for audio only is also a problem.

    Its written that a 7200 RPM hard drive is recommended and that a hard drive for audio only is also recommended. your using non recommended hardware and its under powered for sonar. That's your problem in a nut shell.

    If you fix those things, youll have no problems

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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/01 20:14:21 (permalink)
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    Your 5400 hard drive is the problem and the fact your not using another hard drive for audio only is also a problem.

    Its written that a 7200 RPM hard drive is recommended and that a hard drive for audio only is also recommended. your using non recommended hardware and its under powered for sonar. That's your problem in a nut shell.

    If you fix those things, youll have no problems

    Yeah, I've been thinking about all that. Well,  I really should [ideally] try to find an external 7200 eSATA drive for my PC  anyway, since I  have a laptop eSATA connection, and fewer options to add drives. Or would a USB 2.o 7200 be viable? I  am puzzled, though, why I've had no problems only until I froze some tracks, and no other time. 


    I also do a lot of Hi Def video editing on my PC, with media files and projects stored separately on an external USB drive, and have no problems [yet].


    Most certainly, I need another desktop with some serious horsepower and drive speed to do all of my video and audio. Until then, I need a cheaper solution to work with what I have.


    Thanks for your input, Cjay!

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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/01 21:39:46 (permalink)
    Given that the problem went away after un-freezing, I'd suspect the hard drive.

    Hypothesis: when you froze the tracks, one of the new wave files happened to land on a weak spot on the disk. These are areas of the platter's surface where the recorded signal is weak due to flaws in the coating, where multiple retries are required in order to read the data, which in turn causes audio dropouts.

    It could also be a flaky disk cable or even a controller. In any case, running a deep disk diagnostic would be a good next step.


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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/01 22:14:51 (permalink)
    Even an external Hard drive that is 7200 RPM and used for audio only will help you out. it will take some stress off the 5400 RPM C drive.

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    Re:Audio Dropouts Occurring ... Only After Freezing Tracks 2011/11/02 14:45:35 (permalink)
    Thanks for your input, guys, I appreciate your helpful comments! I'll do a thorough disk diagnostic and get another external drive for running my Cakewalk projects. I'd certainly be happier and more productive knowing that I can utilize the freeze function when I'm doing some track intensive work.


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