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2011/11/02 10:27:48 (permalink)

Wavepad questions

 I didn't want to hijack jwillis's thread. I have been taking my projects eventaully to my Roland vs2400 for the final mix and master. (I know how to use it and it has a good program from t-racks with a good compressor and limiter) I find that getting good volume without getting to much of a compressed sound is tricky. If I had wavepad just for normalizing the project, would I do it before or after T-racks? I would think before. Would ozone by isotope be better?
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    Re:Wavepad questions 2011/11/02 13:02:53 (permalink)
    personally I would not "normalize" the project, but use compression and limiting tweaking to get the volume levels where I want them.

    I have a couple of T-racks plugins and I like to use them, but personally I prefer using ozone for final "home mastering" myself.

    I tend to export my final MIXED project to a stereo wavefile at 32bit/44.1kHz, then import into a NEW project in sonar and use final compression, limiting and reverb as desired for "mastering" - but ever since I got Ozone, I tend to use it pretty much exclusively for that purpose and not t-racks or other "mastering" type plugins.

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    Re:Wavepad questions 2011/11/02 15:25:10 (permalink)
    I always normalize.... and I like what it does.


    So....


    Get the project sounding right in your DAW first. Be sure it sounds clean and get the levels up as best you can.....I keep them all out of the red as a basic rule of thumb.

    Then..... export it to a folder. I call mine "exported songs" ( so original... but I know where it went!)

    Open it in Wavepad. First thing is I trim the starting count in clicks and the end's silence.

    Then I normalize it there and save it. Then... I convert to MP3.

    all in that order. 

    No one... not from here, or from the music publishers and library screeners I send my music to, has ever told me it sounded like it was normalized. 

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    Re:Wavepad questions 2011/11/02 15:32:43 (permalink)
    I am not saying that normalizing it is wrong, either, tho.  it's just not something I think is necessary.  I prefer to control the volume with sliders, compression and limiting.

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    Re:Wavepad questions 2011/11/03 09:39:12 (permalink)
    I haven't used TLSMaximizer, but I have used Boost11.  Boost11 is a brick wall limiter with limited control over the I/O.  I don't use it normally for projects but I have used it in the past.  I might check out TLSMaximizer and see what it's about when I get some time and let you know.

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    Re:Wavepad questions 2011/11/04 07:35:26 (permalink)
    Bobby, 

    Do some research, and get a few good books to read and study. Knowing what is happening to the music as you adjust a knob or a slider on a piece of hardware or even in the software versions really helps you to understand what is happening and more importantly why it even needs to happen. 

    Most folks know that you can use a compressor to increase the volume of a given track. And that is true. But understanding exactly what it is doing to the wave to make the volume increase is what really matters. 

    With everything in life, to get one thing, you must be willing to give up something else. Very rare to encounter a "have your cake and eat it too" sort of situation. And this is especially true with digital music. You can get the volume, but the question is, do you know what you are giving up to get the volume? And then is it worth the trade off? 

    Compression, EQ, Reverb, you name the effect, this also applies to gear... monitors, subs, big, little with, without.....there is always a dark lining to every silver cloud. 


    A good book I recently obtained and read is : Mike Senior's book, Mixing Secrets for the small studio. 

    He treats the subjects with a bit of humor to keep it interesting. And he starts with listening.... the monitors we all use, benefits and drawbacks... on compression ...Chapter 9 Compressing for a reason....  10 beyond compression  11 EQ for a reason  12 beyond eq.... I found this book to be very useful. 

    I've been in and around music and have known much of this stuff for years..... but I learned and relearned quite a bit from reading it. 

    Now... I start again reading and studying the chapters.  First time was a quick read, now, go slowly and squeeze the juices out. 

    Not just this book.... there are many out there to explain the same stuff...... point is,  get a good one and study it. 


    The first 4 chapters are all about listening to your mix....and focus primarily on the monitors we ALL use in home studios. I learned things in those 4 chapters that I really had no clue about. I now look at the listening aspect totally different. I now understand more of the dynamics that are going on in the listening environment.
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    Re:Wavepad questions 2011/11/05 09:28:18 (permalink)
    Unlike EQ and reverb, compression is one of those things that you're really NOT supposed to hear what it does. 

    If you can hear a compressor working, it is not set up correctly.  The biggest thing you would hear when bypassing and unbypassing a compressor in a track should be a slight volume change. generally a compressor will give an increase in volume as it compresses the music..... it pulls the peaks down and pulls the lower things up, thereby giving the illusion that the level has been increased. The "average" levels have been increased and therefore the track sounds louder. 

    If it's set wrong. the music can have all sorts of issues, pumping or breathing is a very common mistake made with a compressor set up wrong. 

    Do some studying, because it is a very important and fascinating topic. 

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