WTF? newbie - recording picks up other tracks. solved-cant use just sound card for this

Did you have unarmed and de-selected the first two tracks (by clicking on the track number)?

Yes I unarmed and deselected all the other trax. thanks JClosed.
I'm embarrassed to say I can't follow your post CJaysMusic Going thru the same channels?
Not sure what to look for in a signal chain. (guitar to DR880 to computer with Sonar ?)
The other two were imported rather than recorded directly.
The backing tracks are playing on Sonar and are being used to monitor thru earphones while I attempt to record a third track thru my drum machine into a new track.
It records the guitar but also includes the other two tracks I'm monitoring.
It's just recording everything I hear.
Apparently I need to go thru my BR800 using it as a control surface for it to work I then set in/out to the br800 on all trax and it works fine.
Still curious why I can't use Sonar without the BR800 tho

M_Glenn_M


Yes I unarmed and deselected all the other trax. thanks JClosed. I'm embarrassed to say I can't follow your post CJaysMusic Going thru the same channels? Not sure what to look for in a signal chain. (guitar to DR880 to computer with Sonar ?) The other two were imported rather than recorded directly. The backing tracks are playing on Sonar and are being used to monitor thru earphones while I attempt to record a third track thru my drum machine into a new track. It records the guitar but also includes the other two tracks I'm monitoring. It's just recording everything I hear. Apparently I need to go thru my BR800 using it as a control surface for it to work I then set in/out to the br800 on all trax and it works fine. Still curious why I can't use Sonar without the BR800 tho

You may need to break this paragraph down some for anyone to undersatnd it!
 
Are you monitoring through the BR800 (Meaning are your headphones/monitors attached to it or something else?)
If you are recording everything you hear, then you need to change what goes to sonar versus what goes to monitor.
Also, are you recording in Sonar on a PC (using the BR800 as an audio device) or recording on the BR800 and trying to export to Sonar?
 
This looks like a neat device, but I think it may do too much which can be confusing!
 
Brian

When recording there are two basic ways for monitoring the instrument:

#1. Direct monitoring through external equipment
The input in Sonar has Echo Off

External equipment takes audio from computer and mix itself with the recording instrument.

Advantage is that there is no delay with recorded signal.

#2. Monitoring through computer
The input in Sonar has Echo On

The mix is done in Sonar and external equipment is only monitoring computer.

If there is a mix in external equipment you use this might go into computer again.

My guess is when you are recording drums and bass this is midi only signals.
And that explains why there is no mix on audio tracks until to actually record audio through instrument input.

When doing playback DR880 generates audio from the midi sent from computer and this is mixed with your own audio in guitar input.

That is what I think is happening.

If monitoring through DR880 manual should tell how to manage this.

The normal way of monitoring is through soundcard output - but you still need to figure out how to separate audio from midi based stuff in DR880 and the guitar input, or you would get what you experienced.

If you find that you record midi tracks for drums and bass you can make these into audio, one track at a time into Sonar, and then mute midi output to DR880. This is described in tutorials in Sonar how to convert midi to audio with external stuff.

If you are recording audio from DR880 for drums and bass, consider recording midi instead and do conversion by track as I described in last paragraph.

forum is crap - timeouts all the time.

I am not using MIDI and have no clue how to and have no midi inputs on the computer anyway.
The original tracks from the DR880 were done as audio in.
I simply turn off what I don't need at the DR880
Then when I tried to do the guitar thru it, I got the combined result.
It could be I was using the BR800 to monitor at the time, but not on the guitar mix.
I'll try that again.
Still, it remains a question why I can't record while monitoring directly thru the computer (EG without the BR800)
Thanks for the reminder about potential latency.
This may make the idea of recording/monitoring direct not feasible anyway?

I'm now told I can't use just the sound card for this.
Nor can I use the drum machine as it has no monitoring function.
Thanks guys. I'll stick with the BR800 for recording inputs.
Glenn

The DR880 then works as your soundcard for both monitoring and inputs.

I would look in manual for something to separate monitoring(audio out from computer) and input.

Defalut might be that you would jam with guitar to what's on the dr880 for drums and bass, and thereby making guitar blend with that.

There also might be a mix knob to set level of guitar compared to background. That is common.

How many audio inputs do you have available in computer from DR880?
There might be one stream from guitar only and one for a mix.

Or a mix knob to set it either way just getting guitar into computer.


Also check if you would not have midi inputs available from the DR880 into Sonar?

Look for midi inputs. The drivers that makes DR880 a audio in/out might also have midi ports.

In that case you could go with one of my suggested methods.

Hopefully you are starting to see a skeleton of the parts you are dealing with.

Good luck. :)

Since you got feedback from setting echo on in Sonar I gues there must be an outgoing soundcard as well.

What is available to choose from in Sonar regarding audio in/out and midi in/out?

OK, there are some typos in between that confused the picture - sometimes BR880 and sometimes BR800 and I thought one was DR880-that you connect instrument through the DR880(see your first post).

It is a bit unusuall configuration with two recorders and external units, but we'll sort it out.

1. The onboard realtek soundcard is not any good for music production so do not use that - BR800 is the one to use.

2. I had a few portastudios and there are quite different ways inputs work and how to select them correctly.

There is usually a flow chart how everything runs through the unit.

There are often also discription for different configurations with external stuff - like computer - how to connect equipment.

I think best advise is to study these.

Glen, I feel your exasperation (we've all been there). I hope you sort your configuaration out, but I found that recording the main stuff on a Boss BR and then importing it into Sonar, and then adding midi or whatever, and then mixing, really helped to relax the ulcer-potential. It's not for everybody, but works for me. Good luck.

I'm not sure if this has been covered in the previous posts.  I just kind of blew threw them.  But if you are talking about track bleed, sometimes I have had that issue to some extent because my playback tracks have reverb on them, yet I'm trying to separate out completely right and left channels.  You might try disabling any effects you have on the tracks that are bleeding and see if that helps.

msr