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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 07:40:38
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I think the reason ProChannel isn't sold as a VST so that we can use it as a Channel Strip in every version of SONAR, as well as all other programs that uses VST, is that it would allow for comparisons with each and every other VST. People might begin to wonder why it costs...
$99.00
+ $79.00
+ $49.00
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= $200.00
...just to get access to a mundane sounding collection of work a day tool that uses a proprietary application as a dongle.
Two years (maybe more) spent in development reinventing the wheel... and it's not even a better wheel.
Oh well...
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The.Multi.Dimensional.1
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 10:20:57
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i think its because every DAW has to have a selling point ie: Our DAW s the only DAW on the market to have "XYZ". I think that Cakes selling point is being the only DAW on the market with a full "SSL emulation" built in. I also think where they couldve did it better was make the core expanded pack a free update which wouldve put almost all of there Producer users on the same playing field and greatly increase there chances of selling modules.
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 10:35:07
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I think I'm correct in saying that the PC modules are just VSTs - but tied to PC.
It shouldn't be all that hard to release them as stand alone/bundled VSTs. But not for a while. As Whyz sez, it is a marketing thing right now. I mean, Cake has been adding VSTs to each version of SONAR numbered editions. I imagine they will continue to add modules to the PC. The old modules will come standard with the X2 etc. versions, while the new ones will be paid or bait to buy the latest version of SOnar X.
Food for thought. I really, really like the EQ in PC and there hasn't been a different version of it. The comps are good but they keep adding new models.
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 10:42:08
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@AT the current available modules makes PC a full emulation of a SSL board. i think they dont mention what its modeled after so they dont have to pay out any $$$. By it being integrated and not being released as a VST also increases its selling point as a DAW. i actually like the strategy except that i wouldve made the core PC add on free as mentioned above. i just think it wouldve been smarter and more lucrative in the long run. just my perspective
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 10:46:48
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Yeah, it's an odd one that. What would have made more sense to me would have been: expanded bundle is soundcloud + softube + browser changes + replace synth (ie: features), but the new modular pro channel is a free update for all (ie: platform).
I suspect that the modular prochannel will eventually become exactly that, I don't mind at all, but I mean, think of it. You could write the next three months posts of around half a dozen people on here right now.
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 10:49:32
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I think the "un-external" PC modules have the GUI files compiled into the SONAR X1 application.
It is unclear, but I have asked, if the "external" PC modules have their GUI assets hidden some other place. I guess they have to be... other wise we'd have to install new non backward compatible versions of expanded every time we want a new module.
Most VSTs store all that stuff right in a single, simple, convenient .dll file.
I think that the PC EQ sounds real good, but the GUI design is so limiting compared to any contemporary full featured EQ that it is difficult for me consider it anything other than a romantically anachronistic recollection of a time long past.
The ProChannel is really going to shine when it gets a GUI design that appeals to hard core audio enthusiasts.
Maybe we can buy some upgraded GUI front ends to compliment the existing ProChannel .dll files?
It seems like that would only take a couple days work... the processing math is just sitting there waiting for a useful interface to be developed.
Jiminey Cricketts!!! I am reaching for my wallet again... let's do it!
This might be my good idea for the year; How about some nice paid GUI upgrades for all that good math sitting in the PC modules?
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 11:08:15
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"I think that the PC EQ sounds real good, but the GUI design is so limiting compared to any contemporary full featured EQ that it is difficult for me consider it anything other than a romantically anachronistic recollection of a time long past". ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ @mike_mccue i think thats because its supposed to emulate a full channel strip of an SSL. i personally like it because i got the Waves SSL 4000 the day it came out and its 3 separate vst's so you never really get the feel of working on a SSL in the box. The PC is built onto every track and is scrollable. its a better presentation to me. again its just my opinion!
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 11:11:24
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You state it well!
I've read some other things you have written recently that have given me good food for thought.
Thanks!
best regards,
mike
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 11:11:29
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I haven't used anything other than the ProChannel EQ on the last five mixes I've done. I think it's great.
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 11:12:28
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 11:20:54
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i just think i can see the big picture with PC. there's so many "vintage emulations" out there, why jump in the shark pool. to be honest PC was the reason i upgraded to X1. now i can sell my Waves SSL 4000. i think its genius to have it built in. now the next logical step is to improve the audio engine and overall stability to solidify Sonar and give PC relevance.
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Re:How About Expanded and the ProChannel for 8.5.3
2011/11/08 17:41:35
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Thanks for all your opinions guys. Sorry if the topic got anyones goat.
Peace Ben
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