Please could someone help me with Philharmonik?

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2011/11/10 12:55:25 (permalink)

Please could someone help me with Philharmonik?


I have a demo version of Philharmonik installed and Cakewalk has recognised the plugin.

How do I now proceed if I want to pick up the plug in with a midi track. Does the plug in only enhance a midi sound if you have recorded it onto an audio track, i.e is it just an effect or is it something that the midi can 'play through' instead of your midi tone generator (which is my case is an MU10). 

Any help would be much appreciated. I basically just want to set it up so the demo version produces a sound that is clearly coming from Philharmonik, then (if it sounds good) I'll buy it probably.

Cakewalk 8.5; Windows XP; Yamaha MU10; EMU1616

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    bapu
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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/10 18:06:51 (permalink)
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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/11 09:08:58 (permalink)
    If it has recognized the plug in.... proceed by clicking on INSERT SYNTH and choose Philharmonik from the list of available synths. 

    It will automatically create the tracks (audio & midi, although you will likely only see one in default), link the inputs and outputs properly and get the synth ready to play & record. 

    You will likely need to double click the synth name in the track inspector and open the GUI to load the samples. Once that is done, the midi keyboard should now allow you to play and hear the sounds. 

    You'll probably like the philharmonik sounds quite well. 

    Did you go to read my website info on setting up synths? I think Beagle also has some info on his site www.beaglesound.com about setting up synths. 

    Midi can be a bit frustrating at first, but once you get the idea and understand the routing and channels and stuff, it's actually quite simple. 




    AGAIN.... midi has NO SOUND. it is data, so the plug in does not enhance the midi sound. The midi data is used to trigger the synth to play the samples or patches that YOU load in the synth's user interface. And that can literally be anything.  The synth IS the ONLY sound you will hear.  Generally, with samples, that means superb quality sound.

    With a VST like philharmonik, the sound you get will be the sound of say, a real violin, or a real trombone. Not a synth re-creation of  that instrument. It will sound as real as the quality of the recording of that sample...which is usually pretty good. 
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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/11 12:34:02 (permalink)

    I assure you that I do understand that MIDI is only data. I meant that I had recorded midi output (played through a MU10 tone generator) onto an audio track.

    As you say, it might be a good idea to try the TTS-1 softsynth first. I have tried this as you can see from the attached screen shots. I have set up 2 midi tracks one with TTS-1 and one with Philharmonik. 

    I am now grappling with trying to get these midi tracks to output something that I can actually hear. The levels are going up and down so there is something there. I can't understand at teh moment what these should input from or output to. Normally I have midi tracks with input from an ESP Midi port. When the midi sounds are to actually be played through a soft synth what do you set Input and output to? 

    I use Yamaha MU10, EMU 1616, and a Mackie 1202  


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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/11 12:56:09 (permalink)
    You need an audio track attached to each of the midi tracks so you can hear it. A midi track on it's own won't make a sound.

    You have 5 buttons at the bottom of your screen shot. That's the synth rack. It's the best place to open the synth for you. First, click the fourth button - synth options. Put a tick in midi source, synth track folder and first synth audio ouput. Press ok. Click on the first button - soft synth - cakewalk TTS 1. Make sure input echo is on and press the little note on channel 1 of the TTS 1. You should hear it.
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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/11 13:36:57 (permalink)
    Insert a new audio track. Add TTS to the FX bin. 

    Insert or edit the midi track. 
    Input= your keyboard
    Output = TTS-1 
    Channel= the channel in TTS you want to use.... can be 0-15 ... channel 10 defaults to drums
    Bank= the first one down the list
    Patch= the instrument you want to play .... just choose form the list.

    Now try it.

    you can duplicate this midi info in other midi source tracks changing the channel to a different number in TTS and the Patch to a different instrument and using this method, you can add a total of 16 instruments and have them all play at the same time in one instance of TTS.



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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/12 11:58:45 (permalink)

    Guitarhacker and strikinglyhandsome1 - thank you both very much.

    I have now got both TTS and Philharmonik working! 

    I need to learn a bit more about Philharmonik now.
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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/12 12:11:58 (permalink)
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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/25 14:49:52 (permalink)

    I now have a further question, how do you record the output from Philharmonik? Is there something unusual you have to do? 

    Once I created the audio tracks (connected into Philharmonik as 'Guitarhacker' suggested), I was able to hear those sounds. To record them I just expected to be able to create an additional 'normal' audio track and assumed that it would pick up what is coming from the Philharmonik tracks, but it doesn't seem to. 

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    Re:Please could someone help me with Philharmonik? 2011/11/25 15:50:43 (permalink)
    It's time to read the manual and do the tutorial about using soft synths. The minimum homework is something everyone should do after investing in a program like SONAR.
    You don't record it, you bounce or freeze.

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