atcrank
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 8
- Joined: 2011/11/13 01:25:14
- Status: offline
MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
Hi Everyone,
I've just started using MC6 in the last few months and it is pretty amazing value, but I'm also having trouble with a few things...
First, in Track View, I did something that hid some tracks. By accident. They are still there and play, but I can't unhide them.
The Help for Track View includes seems to say that under Options I would have a Display heading, but it is not there. I saw this question has come up before, but the answers didn't cover how you would unhide in MC6, now that there's no track manager (m just gets you something about the meter). The tracks are still visible in Console View. Fit Project to window doesn't unhide the tracks.
Second, I'm having some trouble with Synth1 (a free VST) in which about a random selection the notes sent to it will just not get played. This may be a fault in Synth1, but it is pretty widely used, and I found only one other discussion of this occurring (in Reaper). Synth1 is tested in Sonar, which I assume is closely related to MC. Is anyone else having this problem with Synth1 in Music Creator? I'm using 64-bit.
Third, does anyone know of a reference where the midi cc / mmc numbers for music creators controls would be found? I want to set up the nanoKontrol scenes for different instruments and have the transport controls working in each of the scenes. Also, is there a way to increase the polling of data faster than 50ms? The sampling rate means I got unreliable behaviour, most evident when I scrolled to max or min. It would poll shortly before I arrived at max or min and I would have 15 instead of 0, or 118 instead of 127. I haven't got the transport controls going yet.
Fourth, I always want to see Sends/Bank/Patch in the Inspector - is there a way to set that as the default?
If anyone can offer any advice, I'd be very grateful,
Thanks
Andrew
Asus M4A785T-M // AMD Athlon II X2 245 // E-mu 1212m pcie // 2048MB RAM // NVIDIA GeForce 210 // Windows 7 Home Premium Home Edition Media Center DirectX 11.00 // Music Creator 6 / Kawai K5000 // Roland JV-1010 // 2 Korg nanoKontrols and a nanopad & a midisport 2x2 usb-midi
|
Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/13 07:51:57
(permalink)
I believe you hit the "M" key to display the track manager then simply check the ones you want to display. You'd think they would put that command in the same place with the HIDE TRACK command.
I'm not on the DAW and going from memory here.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|
atcrank
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 8
- Joined: 2011/11/13 01:25:14
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/13 15:11:10
(permalink)
Thanks Guitarhacker - Herb?
I am just guessing that I 'hid' tracks. What actually happened was, I double or triple clicked a midi clip in the clips pane of Track View, and there was a sort of zooming animation, and then it was the only visible track, although there are no clues that it isn't the full Track View (you can add midi tracks or audio tracks for example - it's not just a 'one track only view'.)
I think I must have stumbled on a shortcut for hiding tracks, which Cakewalk have only partly built in or partly blocked off, rather as one stumbles on a bear pit. It wasn't supposed to be there, and there seem to be no tools for undoing it to hand in MC6.
If you press M in music creator 6, you get the 'Meter' box, with a dialogue about how many beats per bar etc.
I guess I can start a new version - saw off my metaphorical foot.
Asus M4A785T-M // AMD Athlon II X2 245 // E-mu 1212m pcie // 2048MB RAM // NVIDIA GeForce 210 // Windows 7 Home Premium Home Edition Media Center DirectX 11.00 // Music Creator 6 / Kawai K5000 // Roland JV-1010 // 2 Korg nanoKontrols and a nanopad & a midisport 2x2 usb-midi
|
Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/13 15:44:13
(permalink)
OK... sorry... working from memory and MC6 is different from 4 &5 in pretty big ways.
Look it up hide tracks unhide tracks using F1 or help. MC6 is designed on X1 Sonar, and is quite a departure from the previous MC's that came before it. I just upgraded to X1 and I'm having to learn lots of new ways to be able to do all the things I used to do without having to look it up.
As far as the synth not working, we need more info. Details on how it was set up and the details of the routing and channels would be helpful.
On the data .... Beagle might be able to answer this better, but I know some of the aspects of transport controlers might not be designed to work with the MC line..... but again.... I'm not 100 % sure on that...
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/13 20:35:56
(permalink)
1) "H" on the keyboard brings up the track manager in MC6 (and X1) and once the track manager is up you can check/uncheck tracks to hide/unhide.
2) this could be a couple of different problems. first culprit I would look at would be you soundcard and latency settings. your signature doesn't list your soundcard - what soundcard are you using, which driver mode and what latency settings?
3) I'm sorry, but I don't understand this question. MC doesn't have MIDI CC codes separate from the MIDI standards. If you want the nano to control different instruments you might be able to set that up using ACT. this is not something I have experience with. I am unaware of the polling rate from MC or how to change that. I do not think that is a user changable parameter.
4) you can't view SENDS/BANK/PATCH information from the Inspector view. but you can open the CONSOLE view to get a "strip" view like the inspector and you can view that information there.
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/14 02:30:25
(permalink)
I did some more checking and you're not supposed to be able to hide/unhide tracks in MC and the track manager has been disabled, so "H" doesn't work. I don't know how you were able to hide the tracks with that feature supposedly disabled - it's probably a bug. I'll see if I can figure out how, but I don't know if there's a way to undo it without opening the project in X1, unhiding the track, then reopening in MC again.
|
atcrank
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 8
- Joined: 2011/11/13 01:25:14
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/15 04:49:32
(permalink)
Thanks so much for looking at all this guys. I've put the question to Cakewalk technical support, so hopefully there is some solution. I don't have a sound card and am just using the on-board sound (I mix the hardware synths in a little analogue 'Pro2 mixer). I'm hankering for a Tascam US 122 or 144, but new baby, not a great musician earning money from this etc etc. The on-board sound is Via HD Audio. (I was pleased to see it can sample 24 bits at quite high rates, but the line-in A/D SNR is 100db, and the effective SNR of the whole is (I believe) closer to 90db, so I will not be dethroning Skrillex any time soon). As to what drivers - I don't know whether they are ASIO or what. The standard ones. (Update, after brief Google, I was only able to find out that they are probably not ASIO. Is there somewhere to look for this?) Re: the Synth1 question. as above - there are many things wrong with this setup. I will try some other vst synths (Triangle II would be an obvious one). There are a lot of things to check, and I don't get a lot of time for hobbies - an hour or two at weekends and a little time through the week - so it will be a while before I have answers. This thread ( http://forum.cockos.com/archive/index.php/t-57374.html) seemed like similar behaviour in a completely separate tool, and they were blaming midi there. I just wondered if anyone had had the same experience. Re: the nanoKontrol question - sorry that was not clear because I was not thinking very clearly. I was thinking of setting the transport controls to talk to Music Creator, while the knobs and slider CCs go to a VST or out to the K5000. I doubt that midi filtering is available in Music Creator - at this basic level, some niceties are not going to be available. I'll just map one scene for MC and the mixer, and other scenes for synths. Down at the bottom of the Inspector window, the display drop-down will give you the option to display the send-bank-patch bit. It was the only place I'd found it, and it was annoying to have to check it for each track every time. Since losing my tracks I've found it in a few other places. It's not a serious problem. Thanks again.
Asus M4A785T-M // AMD Athlon II X2 245 // E-mu 1212m pcie // 2048MB RAM // NVIDIA GeForce 210 // Windows 7 Home Premium Home Edition Media Center DirectX 11.00 // Music Creator 6 / Kawai K5000 // Roland JV-1010 // 2 Korg nanoKontrols and a nanopad & a midisport 2x2 usb-midi
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/15 10:26:42
(permalink)
atcrank
Thanks so much for looking at all this guys. I've put the question to Cakewalk technical support, so hopefully there is some solution. I don't have a sound card and am just using the on-board sound (I mix the hardware synths in a little analogue 'Pro2 mixer). I'm hankering for a Tascam US 122 or 144, but new baby, not a great musician earning money from this etc etc. The on-board sound is Via HD Audio. (I was pleased to see it can sample 24 bits at quite high rates, but the line-in A/D SNR is 100db, and the effective SNR of the whole is (I believe) closer to 90db, so I will not be dethroning Skrillex any time soon). As to what drivers - I don't know whether they are ASIO or what. The standard ones. (Update, after brief Google, I was only able to find out that they are probably not ASIO. Is there somewhere to look for this?) well, just to be pedantic - you DO have a "soundcard" - it's just that the soundcard you have is just a chip on the motherboard.  normally onboard soundcards do not have ASIO drivers and if you do not know which driver you're using then you will be using the default. I think default for MC6 is now MME, but I don't remember for certain on that. check your driver mode by pressing "P" on your keyboard which will bring up the preferences window in MC6. then go to PLAYBACK AND RECORDING under AUDIO and look at the DRIVER MODE. if you're in MME, try WDM. if WASAPI is available, try that. if not, try MME if you were in WDM. it will need to run a profile of the soundcard drivers whenever you switch.
Re: the Synth1 question. as above - there are many things wrong with this setup. I will try some other vst synths (Triangle II would be an obvious one). There are a lot of things to check, and I don't get a lot of time for hobbies - an hour or two at weekends and a little time through the week - so it will be a while before I have answers. This thread (http://forum.cockos.com/archive/index.php/t-57374.html) seemed like similar behaviour in a completely separate tool, and they were blaming midi there. I just wondered if anyone had had the same experience.
I don't really understand "what many things wrong with this setup" are you talking about? If the fault is NOT because of the synth that's OK. I just don't know because I've never used it. my guess is that your problem, however, is going to lie with your soundcard, and/or its drivers and/or the settings in MC dealing with the drivers OR settings dealing with MIDI. I wanted to get the soundcard settings worked thru first because the MIDI setting is less likely. but if you want to check that as well while you're looking at driver problems, go to the PREFERENCES window again and click on the PLAYBACK AND RECORDING section under MIDI this time (not under AUDIO). look near the bottom and look at PLAYBACK section and PREPARE USING XXX MSEC BUFFERS. this is probably set to 250 as default. increase it to 500 and see if the problem goes away. I would not recommend increasing it beyond 500.
Re: the nanoKontrol question - sorry that was not clear because I was not thinking very clearly. I was thinking of setting the transport controls to talk to Music Creator, while the knobs and slider CCs go to a VST or out to the K5000. I doubt that midi filtering is available in Music Creator - at this basic level, some niceties are not going to be available. I'll just map one scene for MC and the mixer, and other scenes for synths.
Down at the bottom of the Inspector window, the display drop-down will give you the option to display the send-bank-patch bit. It was the only place I'd found it, and it was annoying to have to check it for each track every time. Since losing my tracks I've found it in a few other places. It's not a serious problem.
Thanks again.
you're right, MC does not have advanced MIDI filtering, but honestly, sonar doesn't have a lot of built in advanced MIDI filtering either. there is a MIDI plugin capable of MIDI filtering which comes with sonar, but I don't know if it comes with MC6 or not. look in the MIDI FX bin for MIDI Filtering and see if that will help you any.
post edited by Beagle - 2011/11/15 10:28:38
|
atcrank
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 8
- Joined: 2011/11/13 01:25:14
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/18 00:47:10
(permalink)
Cakewalk have responded with solutions for the hiding problem. It is a real problem (a bug), but only happens to the epically unlucky and uncoordinated, like me. Tracks can be hidden with a shortcut but can't be recovered (because hiding and unhiding aren't supposed to be in MC6).
The workaround is to move to another screenset, and hence a new appearance of the track manager. Good enough for me.
This is the third or fourth time I've gone to Cakewalk since getting Music Creator, and every time I've had a prompt and thorough and fairly helpful response, even to what are pretty weird problems. Everything in Music Creator and great help too!
Asus M4A785T-M // AMD Athlon II X2 245 // E-mu 1212m pcie // 2048MB RAM // NVIDIA GeForce 210 // Windows 7 Home Premium Home Edition Media Center DirectX 11.00 // Music Creator 6 / Kawai K5000 // Roland JV-1010 // 2 Korg nanoKontrols and a nanopad & a midisport 2x2 usb-midi
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/18 09:12:16
(permalink)
atcrank Cakewalk have responded with solutions for the hiding problem. It is a real problem (a bug), but only happens to the epically unlucky and uncoordinated, like me. Tracks can be hidden with a shortcut but can't be recovered (because hiding and unhiding aren't supposed to be in MC6). The workaround is to move to another screenset, and hence a new appearance of the track manager. Good enough for me. thank you very much for reporting that back! that's good useful info to know if someone else has this problem! This is the third or fourth time I've gone to Cakewalk since getting Music Creator, and every time I've had a prompt and thorough and fairly helpful response, even to what are pretty weird problems. Everything in Music Creator and great help too! the forums and support are why I chose to invest in cakewalk several years ago. I have not regretted it!
|
atcrank
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 8
- Joined: 2011/11/13 01:25:14
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2011/11/25 20:52:54
(permalink)
As of this morning, I think I've decided to switch back to MC5. Synth1 works flawlessly in it, and you really can't hide tracks (in fact, it is the solution to my hidden tracks issue.) The UI is not as rich, but having what I play in played back not 80%, nor 60% but 100% is much more useful.
Asus M4A785T-M // AMD Athlon II X2 245 // E-mu 1212m pcie // 2048MB RAM // NVIDIA GeForce 210 // Windows 7 Home Premium Home Edition Media Center DirectX 11.00 // Music Creator 6 / Kawai K5000 // Roland JV-1010 // 2 Korg nanoKontrols and a nanopad & a midisport 2x2 usb-midi
|
rburkhal
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1
- Joined: 2012/01/01 15:57:14
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2012/01/01 16:53:11
(permalink)
Well that solution is only good if you don't use the CTRL+ALT+H function. I did the same exact thing atcrank did un-wittingly and screwed up my project. So this bug has been a round since MC6 was released and still no fix! Ok, what gives? Today I sent support a "Problems Steps" recording from my Windows 7 machine that clearly shows how the bug works. What ever you do, don't use that function. Has anyone found a solution other than moving to another screenset (Which for me didn't do squat!)
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2012/01/01 20:40:49
(permalink)
yes, this is a bug. they disabled the track manager for MC out of X1 because of the price point, but didn't disable the hot keys for hiding tracks, so this is a bug that needs to be fixed. have you submitted a "problem report?" http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/ProblemReporter/
|
atcrank
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 8
- Joined: 2011/11/13 01:25:14
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2012/01/21 05:54:34
(permalink)
Hi all,
Apologies for not monitoring this thread. The solution to notes not speaking came with my new 1212m (which I love, although patchmix remains impenetrable to me). I think it was ASIO drivers. So I switched back to MC6.
rburkhal - the only solution that worked for me was opening the project in MC5, (or presumably Sonar if someone you know has it). The new screenset did nothing for me either.
re: the nanokontrols, I now have a second and MC6 didn't like me using two. They work fine with the windows default driver - don't try to use the Korg drivers unless you are on XP or vista, would be my advice. The solution for cakewalk is to run one through Midi-Ox, onto Loopbe1 from nerds.de, and then into MC6. A bit annoying to set up, but worth it for 36 variable controllers + 36 buttons, plus transport controls (which I still haven't got around to mapping into MC6). You still run out of controls pretty quick in a soft analog synth, but its so much better than mousing everywhere. There is a guy here in Aus who is selling them for $35 delivered.
All of which is bringing closer the day I have to stop setting up and start writing and recording.
Asus M4A785T-M // AMD Athlon II X2 245 // E-mu 1212m pcie // 2048MB RAM // NVIDIA GeForce 210 // Windows 7 Home Premium Home Edition Media Center DirectX 11.00 // Music Creator 6 / Kawai K5000 // Roland JV-1010 // 2 Korg nanoKontrols and a nanopad & a midisport 2x2 usb-midi
|
Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:MC6 Questions - How to unhide tracks, Synth1 not sounding 100%, data for nanoKontrol
2012/01/21 08:32:49
(permalink)
could you open the project in an earlier version .....unhide the tracks and save the project...then reopen in 6? Just wondering..... that might solve the unhide problem until cake releases MC7.
I don't think cake does much in the way of updates to the MC line..... although I do remember one update to MC5 which they posted for free on the website.
Perhaps they will fix this bug.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|