Very Basic Fader Question

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2011/11/16 11:32:20 (permalink)

Very Basic Fader Question

Using V-Studio 700 with Sonar X1.
 
I am quite familiar with X1 but so far have just used very basic functions on the V-Studio console.  Here is a really basic question:
 
In a traditional console, during tracking the fader would control the input level of the signal and a separate monitor control or send adjusted the level of the signal monitored.  Then, during mixing, the fader would control the level of the track.
 
With the V-Studio and Sonar, when playing back tracks immediately after recording, the fader regulates the level of the signal to the monitors.  That's fine.
 
During recording, however, the fader (both on screen and on the console) only seem to control the level of the signal monitored.  If that's how it works, that's fine, but I want to be sure I understand this.
 
Is there no way to "ride a fader" during tracking (for example, when recording a singer)?  Do we just set-and-forget the input level based on the audio interface itself?
 
I am not having problems but feel I am missing some very basic function.  I understand setting the input levels, using compressors, etc.  I just want to be sure I am clear how this hardware works.
 
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    Norrie
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    Re:Very Basic Fader Question 2011/11/16 14:42:41 (permalink)
      If I understand you correctly then what you need to do is look at the fader view section on the VS700c below the fader bank.

    By clicking the main this will control your 8 pre amps on the VS700R with this clicked you can then ride the fader while tracking and have control of the input on the pre amp.

    To go back to the mixing faders or bus faders just click track or bus

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    Re:Very Basic Fader Question 2011/11/16 22:53:46 (permalink)
    HEY HEY Norrie!!! How are you dude??!

    I think the button you're refering to is the "I/O control" button, just above the flip button over the master fader. That's the one which control the vs pres in the VS-R.  But! maybe you know something I don't about the main section for this purpose!

    One guy some months ago told that when he was "riding gain" during recording, the digital controller of the vs pres was making "clicks" that were audible in the recorded track...  So it is possible to ride gain during tracking but doing so will induce crackeling noises in the recorded audio.  
    According to the answer of a Cake' staff, the system was not design to allow this kind of operation.

    Never tried though, but keep your hears opened when you'll try it to avoid bad surprises!
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    Re:Very Basic Fader Question 2011/11/16 23:18:41 (permalink)
    Here's the thread: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2307446&high=ride+gain

    Automation with faders while mixing seems to be the way to go. 
    post edited by Dyonight - 2011/11/16 23:27:25
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    Re:Very Basic Fader Question 2011/11/17 06:50:15 (permalink)
      Hi Dyonight !

    I will drop you a email shortly as I have been meaning to get in touch

    Sorry my bad you are right I was refering to the I/O button I was not at my desk when I sent the previous message.

    Ive actually been looking in to getting the Waves Vocal rider http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=9945
    and the Waves Bass Rider http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=11856 for reasons like this

    It might be worth trying the free demos of the products and see how you get on with them :)

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    Re:Very Basic Fader Question 2011/11/17 08:06:43 (permalink)
    It seems very problematic to ride the fader during a live input anyway. If you know what's coming and you know you will need adjustments at certain points I can see using that method, but getting it spot on during a live input is going to be a timing and level guess work exercise leading to more complicated adjustments later. Since the midi control involved is going to adjust in increments rather than a smooth fade type of reduction, it's liable to not be what you want for a finished track. While that may a pretty sketchy explanation of the input process there are just many factors happening that might require adjustment during a live input to be able to make proper adjustments in the correct time frame.

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    Re:Very Basic Fader Question 2011/11/19 19:51:06 (permalink)
    Riding the level on the way in during tracking should always be available particularly when you are for example riding a vocal on the way into a compressor with certain (dynamic for example) singers and is a must have trick in your trick bag. The V Studio only lets you do this via the pre amp control as mentioned above which is accessed by the IO button. It works and should not cause any clicking etc at all. I use it a lot and have zero issue with it and if there were an issue, well then the V Studio just can't 'cut it' to be honest. I tend to only need small adjustments and just use the trackball over the preamp faders on screen and it works well. Anything more dramatic than a few dB I'd go to a fader but gee, that would become interesting I'd think... good topic.... Cheers.

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    Re:Very Basic Fader Question 2011/11/22 16:20:38 (permalink)
    Changing your noise floor during tracking would be an issue to me..I love the idea of setting the pres to a level not to distort, because you can't fix digital distortion...and God is it awfull!!!!... Then if I need level adjustments I use automation... Automation is your friend :-)


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