Rimshot
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Leveling out bass booms
I use DimPro for some bass. At times, the bass frequency is not level across the bass spectrum. I have tried the different compressors and limiters that come with Sonar to basically "brick wall" the bass so that the level of all bass notes is the same. This does not work well. I have also tried to use Sonitus EQ to find the "booming" notes to reduce their db. This also is not really effective. What type of limiter or process do you use to get the level of most of the bass notes fairly even with one another? Thanks.
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Re:Leveling out bass booms
2011/11/19 21:11:23
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Is your room well treated with bass traps? If not, then it may just all be in your head, or in the hair around your head.
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Re:Leveling out bass booms
2011/11/19 22:03:27
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I have been rolling off the very low end of the bass. I rarely use a compressor on bass since it's mostly midi with samples anyway. But a compressor, set up properly, should be able to help you out with leveling the amplitude of the notes....(volume) Frequency is the pitch..... I assume you meant amplitude when you said it's not equal. Some notes are louder than others. Envelopes can also be used.... but that can be a pain if there are discrepancies all through out. The room can also play a part.
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Re:Leveling out bass booms
2011/11/19 22:45:58
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Dean's point is important. First step is to make sure the "booms" you're hearing aren't the result of room resonances. Verify with headphones; if the bass sounds more even in headphones, the real problem is your room lying to you. If it really does turn out to be an uneven track, any compressor can smooth it out. If the compression affects the bass tone too much, making it sound dull in places, try a multiband compressor with a band tuned fairly sharply to the offending notes. In extreme cases I've augmented compression with volume automation.
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Re:Leveling out bass booms
2011/11/20 00:37:13
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(1) Using DemPro for Bass?, did you try editing the sound at the source? (DemPro)! (2) That new Waves EQ might be best, for easier honing in on the actual note(s) that are booming. Or you could find a freq/music chart as a guide but finding a chart that is precise it tricky. (3) Another method; Volume Envelopes work really well for natural results. Here goes; A: Find 'one' region > place the nodes in and adjust! B: Turn on Snap to Grid. C: Now here's the trick; First select one node and then (using the envelope tool) marque that range starting at the first measure of that region. This will ensure that those selections are for Automation Only for that tack only and your not also selecting the actual clip. (Thereby Sonar will then know by default will select Envelopes Only)! * Alternatively you can select from the timeline. D: Then copy/paste across the clips! Make sure that the copy/paste options are set to; 'Envelopes Only' and 'Blend with Old' Hope all these suggestions helps! Doing the above steps (method #3) should ensure you don't get those so-called 'Bugs' that others scream about such as; deleted clip when pasting, messed up envelopes, blue screem, rattling hard-drives, plumes of smoke!!
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Re:Leveling out bass booms
2011/11/20 03:34:06
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HPF at 75Hz +/- will yield more 'apparent' loudness and less mud, though some basses have kick simulations that require a lower HPF (45-75Hz) Boost11 or a comp without squash since ... Dimpro basses don't have much timbre; some are like florescent light hums ... and most are already squashed to taste, iirc. I'm not sure they even allow for compression ... perhaps just volume envelopes for those off frequencies. Consider ARC correction software instead of costly bass-traps and/or unsightly room treatments. (Bass reflections are probably the most unforgiving DAW problem I have and requires ARC in my small studio. IOWs, bass traps don't even work effectually for me in my small studio)
post edited by Philip - 2011/11/20 03:41:10
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Re:Leveling out bass booms
2011/11/20 05:06:25
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Rimshot I use DimPro for some bass. At times, the bass frequency is not level across the bass spectrum. I have tried the different compressors and limiters that come with Sonar to basically "brick wall" the bass so that the level of all bass notes is the same. This does not work well. I have also tried to use Sonitus EQ to find the "booming" notes to reduce their db. This also is not really effective. What type of limiter or process do you use to get the level of most of the bass notes fairly even with one another? Thanks. As Bit and others suggested, first thing I do is to verify what's really going on using headphones and that the issue isn't caused by the room. If there is indeed a problem with the track and if there is more energy in certain notes (as it can happen relatively often), I usually opt for automation to even things out.
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Re:Leveling out bass booms
2011/11/20 11:54:03
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Philip HPF at 75Hz +/- will yield more 'apparent' loudness and less mud, though some basses have kick simulations that require a lower HPF (45-75Hz) Boost11 or a comp without squash since ... Dimpro basses don't have much timbre; some are like florescent light hums ... and most are already squashed to taste, iirc. I'm not sure they even allow for compression ... perhaps just volume envelopes for those off frequencies. Consider ARC correction software instead of costly bass-traps and/or unsightly room treatments. (Bass reflections are probably the most unforgiving DAW problem I have and requires ARC in my small studio. IOWs, bass traps don't even work effectually for me in my small studio) +1 on this good advice from Philip. However, there are two things I might do differently depending on where the issue is. 1. Take the advice of all the other guys before me in this thread as they have all mentioned affective ways to search with this and deal with it. 2. Just about all bass guitar or low end left hand bass notes on synths etc, should be high passed at about 80Hz for a starting point as most of them accentuate 70 Hz to about 100 Hz. There's just about no bass sound that doesn't need high passing in those areas other than those thin slap bass type sounds. You may get one that needs high passing from 90 or 100 Hz...it depends. For the sub low type sounds...yeah, as Philip mentions, you may need to go down lower with a looser (smaller) Q for the high pass. 3. Once you find out if this really is a bass issue, I'd not use Boost 11 simply because I don't like the sound of it nor do I like the artifacts it can give off at times. You'd be better off using a Sonitus compressor for starters since it's a bit more subtle than a limiter, you have more control and you may just want to have a bit of dynamics in the bass...especially your touch sensitivity. Too much limiting will kill that and make it sound more synthetic. 4. If you are still having the problem, try the Sonar LP 64 Multi-Band. This is great because you can set it for offending frequencies and keep them in check automatically. I much prefer the UAD Multiband for this sort of thing as it is more transparent and works differently, but the Sonar plug is really good too. It will just compress the frequencies that lash out without killing the entire track. Or, you can set it up to control the whole track if you wish dialing in multiple frequencies. Hope this helps...good luck! -Danny
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Rimshot
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Re:Leveling out bass booms
2011/11/20 22:14:11
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Thanks to all! I just got back from a weekend filled with worship team rehearsal, sang at a wedding, and played at church this morning. I am going to try these suggestions to see what works best. I appreciate all your help. Rimshot
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