Sinking Flag Ship SOS

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2011/11/20 12:03:09 (permalink)

Sinking Flag Ship SOS

As for the vs 700,  I might just as well have invested the $4000 in mortgages. I still had to spend another $10,000 in other companies hardware to maintain a continually supported system. The vs 700 was advertised as  the Fag Ship System From Cakewalk.   It was then passed over to the Roland side for support. I guess Roland is better able and has more experience with sinking ships.Yes I am frustrated!!!! 
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    Re:Sinking Flag Ship SOS 2011/11/20 12:09:11 (permalink)
     Wy did you have to invest $10.000 in other companys hardware to maintain a supported system ?

    The VS-700 is still suported.

    The VS-700 was made by edirol a sister company of Roland untill Roland decided to put all its products under one brand name :) Roland of course.

    You havent said what your problems are with the VS-700 but Roland and Cake have fantastic support and the forum here is great for help......


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    Re:Sinking Flag Ship SOS 2011/11/20 18:55:07 (permalink)
    As Norrie said Annie, what dramas are you having?? We're awesomely cool folk around here and love to help...

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    Re:Sinking Flag Ship SOS 2011/11/20 22:03:55 (permalink)
    Sorry to take so long to reply. I doubt not that you are all great people with willing valuable information which you are ready to share.
    My issues.

    1) No inserts external hardware  
    2)Any expansion of IO involves creating an added  sub mix of the  expansion unit to a main master out.
    3) Still issues using fantom on 64 bit (crashes)
    4) having to turn a knob and reboot if there is a crash to reset unit so sonar will start
    5) Having to turn an knob and reset unit to change sample rates 
    6) cannot bypass A/D  D/A converters to use better ones.
    7 )latency, and  clock issues at higher sampling rates
    8) Not fully supported by X1c 
    9) preamps not transparent and could have more head  room.
    10) limited digital IO choices.

     This situation is  mostly my fault as I should have done my homework before I purchased the units. I really wanted and needed more from an IO and control solution then this option was capable of. Biggest complaint  though is I assumed the software would always be supported totally by the hardware and the hardware would always be totally supported by the software. The software is somewhat  dynamic ,however the hardware is really static in design. The inability  to adapt the unit  with firmware,or circuit board upgrades  in order to allow it to evolve and play well with others as well as with  changing technologies  limits it's ongoing utility. I agree what it does  it does Ok but I expected more from it then just another V studio version, given the possibilities available with software and firmware. 


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    Re:Sinking Flag Ship SOS 2011/11/21 07:24:50 (permalink)
    anniedog

    1) No inserts external hardware  
        No argument here... sadly overlooked by Roland.
    2)Any expansion of IO involves creating an added  sub mix of the  expansion unit to a main master out.
        Hmm.... haven't had the need thankfully (nearly, but the 700C Aux saved the day each time) but this sounds a bit silly...
    3) Still issues using fantom on 64 bit (crashes)
        Fair call... I can get it to work but cannot be bothered... seems clumsy and is a poor implementation of what was touted as a great feature IMO.
    4) having to turn a knob and reboot if there is a crash to reset unit so sonar will start
        Not enough detail on this one... sounds like a sample rate related issue?
    5) Having to turn an knob and reset unit to change sample rates 
        Ok, I concede this point too.... not a massive drama but still ridiculous in this day and age of design... my MOTU 8Pre isn't this awkward.
    6) cannot bypass A/D  D/A converters to use better ones.
        Yeah but the convertors are actually very good. If I wanted better ones than these I wouldn't have bought the 700R.
    7 )latency, and  clock issues at higher sampling rates
        Haven't had either but the PC is going to play a big role... and if you have any plugs inserted... expect possible issues when tracking. Clock issues I suspect are from extra IO devices... can't comment but others I believe are having no issues so hopefully this should be resolvable.
    8) Not fully supported by X1c 
        There are certainly some features from X1C we would all like to see implemented into the 700 and most of us are hopeful of seeing better integration or at least better flexibility/customization options.... but it does seem to take a long time.
    9) preamps not transparent and could have more head  room. 
        Probably a debatable topic really.. I haven't had any head room issues with respect to digital tracking. Regarding the transparency without a true bypass option the only 'transparent' option is zero preamp gain which is probably the real critisicm IMO. Another feature that should be staple in any quality unit.
    10) limited digital IO choices.
        Not sure what you think would be desirable but your homework before purchase should have identified this problem for you?

    This situation is  mostly my fault as I should have done my homework before I purchased the units. I really wanted and needed more from an IO and control solution then this option was capable of. Biggest complaint  though is I assumed the software would always be supported totally by the hardware and the hardware would always be totally supported by the software. The software is somewhat  dynamic ,however the hardware is really static in design. The inability  to adapt the unit  with firmware,or circuit board upgrades  in order to allow it to evolve and play well with others as well as with  changing technologies  limits it's ongoing utility. I agree what it does  it does Ok but I expected more from it then just another V studio version, given the possibilities available with software and firmware. 
     
    All fair points, the hardware is highly static, primarily the IO box which feels like it came close but not quite hit the mark spot on. It does have some redeeming features but it does also feel as though it missed a great opportunity. The 700 series does offer some great results however and I still believe that if X1 is your s/w of choice, then the 700 gear is still the best option for hardware.... sadly it does feel a little like you are kissing you sister at times... but we live in hope that the folk who manange the 700 hardware will get some options available to us users asap.
    I may have started looking at other options (again... dammit) but still return to X1 due to functions and bang for buck... just hoping to get more from the hardware (the 700C mainly) BUT it still does do a great job... albeit seemingly fundamental at times.
     
    PS: you didn't mention the fan.
     
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    Re:Sinking Flag Ship SOS 2011/11/21 18:13:47 (permalink)
    I have no issues at all with the transparancy of my preamps...... the only big thing they could have done is the whole monitoring issue...but if you have a system to handle it... I use input echo with no latency what so ever....it does tax the system a bit but 99.99999% of the time I only need 3 to 5 monitor mixes..I can have up to 20 actually


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    Re:Sinking Flag Ship SOS 2011/11/21 18:15:48 (permalink)
    any more prestine preamps you'll have to get an M5 from avalon and then you'll have to get some apogee type converters... Apogee doesn't support windows systems..Period your talking 5 grand right there.....and thats just one preamp


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    Re:Sinking Flag Ship SOS 2011/11/22 06:30:06 (permalink)
    Yep, definitely worth mentioning the monitoring... zero latency is fine here also and there are a few various options but it still can be difficult at times once your tracks start to get 'busy' and you need to consider how you best handle it before a session.

    However having said all that, the two headphone outputs on the front of the 700C are very handy for quick seperate levels.

    ...likin' your gear list BTW Stratrat! 

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    Re:Sinking Flag Ship SOS 2011/11/22 08:04:03 (permalink)
    Thanks Mully... Annie I'm lost for words here... The converters are very clean, the clock is amazing....Your NOT going to get a better unit with it's capabilities for the price.... I know I can't dole out 500 grand to have what I dream of..with that said,I'm getting some awesome recordings with this set up...No complaints other than direct monitoring and my daw takes care of that for me... It would be nice if Roland would come out with an expansion board where the ARX? card goes and make a breakout box for multi mix monitoring..... Until then input echo is working..It taxes the system but, I have skynet (The Terminator) so no worries...LOL Peace
    post edited by stratrat1 - 2011/11/22 08:10:46


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