ChuckC
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Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers...
So have decided my next move has got to be towards improving my incoming sound (mic pre's) and my workflow. I have spent the majority of today (5-6+ hours) looking through this forum, gearsluts and a few others and reading up on my options. I want to have at least 8 mic pre's (should I choose to try to track an acoustic drum kit), and a midi i/o (should I find that I suck at it). I want to have transport controls (stop, play, record etc.... UNDO!) as I think it's gotta help yer workflow, and some faders (preferably motorized-touch sensitive) to make setting automation more intuitive. As usually $ is always an issue. I will save for what ever is going to help me do what I do well, rather than buy crap I wil be excited about for 2 weeks then regret wasting my money. I have like so many, learned this one the hard way. If I can get this done in the $600-$1000 range fantastic, if not I'll keep putting my gig money away til I get there. I have looked at possibly combining the presonus faderport (1 fader & transport controls) with a good interface with more/better mic' pre's and midi capabilities. Seems some have a hell of a time getting the faderport to work right in sonar.... I have looked at the Yamaha n8/n12 line which seems cool in theory but thee seems to be mixed reviews as it is more geared for cubase, tanport controls may or may not work with some drivers in sonar, and while it's great to have the old analog feel of real knobs, recalling a mix to tweak a week later would be a huge pain in the @SS without some kind of snapshot type recall feature. I like the idea of being able to close my eyes and mix with my ears only but not so much that I am willing to go through that on a regular basis. I have looked at the Mackie universal pro which looks promising and is expandable, but it's not an interface so I would need an upgrade on that front too. I checked out the M-audio project mix, for the money (on the surface anyway) this appears to be the closest to the direction I am headed and what I want. I am not sure about the pre's on it though I am using a cheaper piece of gear from M-audio now so... How bad could they be? Nd while it is still available i some places it appears they have discontinued production so I can't help but wonder why? It seems like a well though out piece of equipment?! The Mackie 1620i Seems bad to the bone but there again.... No way to recall your settings for a mix after you finish that session, and it's got no transport controls. Decisions, decisions.... Any and all Ideas, opinions, and advise would be greatly appreciated guys.
post edited by ChuckC - 2011/11/23 13:49:56
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Starise
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Re:Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers/dishwasher.
2011/11/23 10:49:32
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I guess much of it depends on how you envision yourself working. For me at least, I am perfectly happy to control Sonars basic functions from my QWERTY keyboard. There are keystrokes for stop/rew/rec/ and so on...My desk is laid out with my computer keys in front of my midi keyboard(pics on CH thread),so for me to reach up to some other box to do this was ergonomically stupid and takes longer than a keystroke. Concerning mixing, some guys take the analog outs from their interface and go through a hardware mixer and back into the DAW. Some guys mix analog up front into the interface. Some guys never touch a hardware mixer and mix everything in the box,so I guess its how you see yourself mixing and how many channels you need.What will you mainly be doing? I really like what Presonus has done with the studio live series. Lots of really cool front end stuff Eq/compression/effects all digital and going into one FW cable and into the DAW,no motorized faders though. In the end not everyone has the same approach to mixing or editing. What works for me might not be what you need. IMO ergonomics is the most imporatant to workflow. You can have the coolest thing out there, but if you can't reach it or it's awkward,then it's not really helping you much. The more time you spend in the studio the more important this is.
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Re:Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers/dishwasher.
2011/11/23 11:14:02
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I have found that getting a good miked sound is more a matter of technique than equipment. Although having good equipment is a necessity, knowing what to do with it matters more. As I listen to the music quality of the stuff I was recording a year or two back and compare that to what I'm doing now, I can see the improvement as I learned more about the gear and the techniques. Pretty much, the gear has remained constant.... so the improvement comes from learning more about the process and how to do it better.
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ChuckC
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Re:Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers/dishwasher.
2011/11/23 13:49:25
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Starise- Alright I gotta break that manual out again. I had no clue that those keystroke shortcuts existed. I will find them. So I thank you for that, I think I can cross that off the list. GH- I completely hear you! I have experianced the same things. Stuff I did even 6 months ago sounds pretty rough. My Micing techniques have improved alot,so has my understanding of mixing and subractive Eq, Compression, etc. Still want more preamps though. As for the mixer-contol surface.... I know it is not required. I have been getting along just fine without it mixing right ITB. I just would prefer to work on one if I can. I love running live sound on an old board. It's just organic feeling. However I want to be able to recall settings. So I think I will want to go the digital route rather than a full analog board. Not sure yet what the heck I am going to do.
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Re:Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers/dishwasher.
2011/11/23 17:50:18
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What happened to the dishwashers???????
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kristoffer
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Re:Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers/dishwasher.
2011/11/23 18:13:38
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Chuck: I've just been about exactly where you are now. (my audio interface just went back to the supplier - did not work so well as it should...) So I thought I'd try the Tascam FW1884 - which have been debated here for a few years. Now, there have been a progression (I'm glad I did not own this 5 years ago) and it is Win7 64 compatible and a few of the members here highly recommend it (havent received mine yet, unfortunately) It has low latency, good pre's and have a very good integration with Sonar 8.5 (dont know with X1) (4x midi also I think) You can get them for about 300$ at fleaBay. (watch out for the cheapest ones, they probably have either a fried Firewire input or pre's)
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ChuckC
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Re:Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers/dishwasher.
2011/11/23 19:24:15
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Musicman - I removed it from the thread title because I was wondering if my being a smart @ss was turning people off and thus, the lower numbers of replies and advice. Kristoffer - 1) how do you like the faderport w/sonar? Does it function properly for you? and would you recommend it? 2) The FW 1884 looks like a decent unit, it might fit the bill!? I wonder how the mic pre's are on it... 3) on the BCR2000- what do you use it for? can it control audio tracks too or just midi? what are your thoughts on it?
ADK Built DAW, W7, Sonar Platinum, Studio One Pro,Yamaha HS8's & HS8S Presonus Studio/Live 24.4.2, A few decent mic pre's, lots of mics, 57's,58 betas, Sm7b, LD Condensors, Small condensors, Senn 421's, DI's, Sans Amp, A few guitar amps etc. Guitars : Gib. LP, Epi. Lp, Dillion Tele, Ibanez beater, Ibanez Ergodyne 4 String bass, Mapex Mars series 6 pc. studio kit, cymbals and other sh*t. http://www.everythingiam.net/ http://www.stormroomstudios.com Some of my productions: http://soundcloud.com/stormroomstudios
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kristoffer
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Re:Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers/dishwasher.
2011/11/24 04:58:28
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ChuckC Kristoffer - 1) how do you like the faderport w/sonar? Does it function properly for you? and would you recommend it? 2) The FW 1884 looks like a decent unit, it might fit the bill!? I wonder how the mic pre's are on it... 3) on the BCR2000- what do you use it for? can it control audio tracks too or just midi? what are your thoughts on it? 1) The faderport works nicely for me, have to most of the transport functions you want. I havent gotten to make all knobs work (mixer f.instance) but it's a pretty decent thing for the low price. (you'll get it for about 120-40$) Quite a few people have trouble to get it working with 64bit enviroments (including me at the beginning) but with some registry changes it is spot on :) 2) Yes, I'm hoping this will work flawlessly, we have some fellow Sonar members which uses it and reccomends is. AFAIK the Tascam drivers have been a pain in the @ss until the 1.8 driver came out last year. For more info, Tom has done these superb "idiot guides" http://deeringamps.com/fw1884/sonarx1b_fw1884.htm He also has success with X1 with the unit. Tom also told me this in an email: "The mic pres are, in my opinion, excellent, and the AD/DA converters are very good." 3) I've used the BCR2000 with something called AJ's Control surface http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=2263956&mpage=1 So it controls EQ's and the mixer. I can also easily change the preset so it can control my softsynts and so on. I dont use it too much - mostly for easy EQ'ing. So when my FW1884 it probably will a) collect dust b) be used a lot more for the softsynts :)
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Re:Yet another thread asking questions about control surfaces/interface/mixers/dishwasher.
2011/11/24 09:15:08
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The only "negative" with the FW in X1 is the EQ mapping is not the same in ProChannel as it is/was for the per channel EQ (Sonitus) in 8.5. Tascam claims that the v1.8 driver is the end of the line support wise. Whatever comes next OS wise (Win 8? or maybe Win IIX??) could be a problem. I've downloaded Cake's SDK files and VC++, but I'm not a programmer, so writing a new control surface driver is a bit above my skill set. Overall I love my FW, but it IS NOT future proof like my old paul and Marshall 50. HTH T
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