CC64 not registering as sustain in Sonar

I'm trying to use a sustain pedal with my A-500 PRO keyboard, but for some reason it doesn't "count" as sustain according to Sonar. It works perfectly in standalone synths. I thought for some reason it wasn't getting through the keyboard, but then I was able to remote control the pedal to other random controls, using CC64, proving that when the pedal is pressed a CC64 message is outputted. So... doesn't CC64 act as sustain in Sonar? Why won't it detect it, in live play, recording, etc.? Anyone know how to solve this problem?

Thanks for the help,

Luke

Luke, if you're using Garritan Libraries, like GPO, CC64 doesn't trigger Sustain but a special Legato function. Details are in that Library's PDF manual - In case that's what you're working with. RB

Checked before, double checked now. That controllers thing is definitely checked off. And it's not legato; I'm trying dimension pro, Lounge Lizard, Z3ta+2, everything. They all used to work, and all three work in standalone mode as expected.  It's possible that it's changed because I switched from USB input to MIDI interface (roland quad capture) but I'm pretty sure the problem occurred after that. To answer your question, brundlefly, they are neither in live playing or recording. Quite a pickle...

"...That controllers thing is definitely checked off..." LHousehold, Brundlefly was confirming that when un-checking that option, it prevents CC64 (or any controller) being recorded. You want the opposite.--So, it needs to be checked, which is the default, since most of the time we kind of want our MIDI performance to be recorded. RB

@daveny5, I don't know how to do that. My keyboard just takes in the sustain signal, and transmits it to the computer where I believe ACT handles it. Is there a way to change the values being outputted? If it's not quite getting to 127, that would actually explain everything, ie Sonar detects it but doesn't consider it a sustain. Is it possible that the standalone synths will consider a sustain at less than 127? So how do I see/change the output value?

@rbowser, when I say checked off, I mean, well... on. Sorry for the confusion, figure of speech.

I'll try out brundlefly's suggestion when I get a chance.

My keyboard just takes in the sustain signal, and transmits it to the computer where I believe ACT handles it. Is there a way to change the values being outputted? If it's not quite getting to 127, that would actually explain everything, ie Sonar detects it but doesn't consider it a sustain.

There are a couple of misunderstandings in that statement. First, the sustain pedal doesn't send CC64 it's just an on/off switch (with some exceptions that I don't think we need to be concerned with in this case). The keyboard reads the circuit status (open or closed), and generates appropriate CC64 message when it changes. It's very unlikely that the keyboard would generate anything other than 0 or 127, and as I said, regardless of the value, SONAR should be able to record it.

And finally, SONAR doesn't interpret controller messages; it just sends them to the synth, and the synth responds however it's been programmed.

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe you just have the pedal plugged in to the sostenuto input on the keyboard, which would generate CC66 instead of CC64. I would think most synths should respond to that as well (sustaining only notes already played), but maybe not.

When you said you were using CC64 for remote control, did you specifically program something to respond to CC64, or did you use MIDI learn, which could have learned something other than CC64?

+1 Brundlefly

In addition: 


Some keyboards let you assign the pedals to control other things, like modulation or patch change. Make sure its set to sustain. 
Some pedals allow you to reverse the polarity of the signal. Check for a switch on the pedal.



Check the Event View list to see what is being sent. 

That's great you got things going again, Lhousehold. From your solution, it sounds like you're not setting the MIDI channels of your tracks in the Inspectors. If you set channels there, your keyboard can stay forever on MIDI channel 1, and the data is translated to the channel each track and associated instrument needs. RB