Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank

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2011/11/29 17:15:31 (permalink)

Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank

What's the deal with Sonic Reality's Infinite Player? What is it, exactly, and what's it good for?

[EDIT: answer: SampleTank libraries repackaged for Kontakt]
post edited by bitflipper - 2011/11/29 23:42:15


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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/29 17:19:41 (permalink)
    Ah, I get it, I think. It appears to actually be a Kontakt instrument that's licensed to run within the free Kontakt player. Sort of an end-run around NI's exorbitant licensing fees, as it reads its own file formats, allowing for inexpensive expansions.

    The second part of my question remains, though: anybody found a use for it?




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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/29 17:34:01 (permalink)
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    Ah, I get it, I think. It appears to actually be a Kontakt instrument that's licensed to run within the free Kontakt player. Sort of an end-run around NI's exorbitant licensing fees, as it reads its own file formats, allowing for inexpensive expansions.

    The second part of my question remains, though: anybody found a use for it?


    I actually got it for free during a group buy last year and use it for the Steven Slate drums through the Kontakt player (at that time). The good thing about using Infinite Player is that the Kontakt player doesn't time out after 15 min although I believe you're limited to whatever features Kontakt player offers.

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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/29 17:41:22 (permalink)
    Infinite Player is expandable w/ Sonic Reality content only... so sort of an expandable 3rd party library product, as opposed to a fix set of content.
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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/29 19:38:30 (permalink)
    Well, I went ahead and bought the Infinite Player and a couple of, whatchacallem, Kapsules.

    Wouldn't ya know it, I ordered at quarter past 6 Eastern Time, and the 25%-off special was done at 6 -- the prices actually went up as I was adding modules to my cart. Oh well, I guess I should check my emails more often. It was still a good deal at $56 for the player and three expansion libraries.

    My question to anyone using these products is: is this a dead product line, or is it still being actively developed? I see there are currently 15 libraries available for it, and the demos sound pretty decent. Can anybody remember the last time a new Kapsule was added to the collection? [answer: August 2010 was the last time new ones were added]

    Reading the Sonic Reality forum on KVR, it sounds as though at least some of the Infinite Player Kapsule samples are taken directly from SampleTank. If that's the case, then I may have just bought some samples for a second time. Oh well.
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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/29 20:49:33 (permalink)
    Dave, they are the same libraries as SampleTank.....but apparently do have some differences (I can't remember what they are) which some KVR users said were somewhat "better" than SampleTanks. Something to do with the different engines each of them run on.
    We both got in on IK's group buy last year and and these Kapsules mirror the SampleTanks libraries. I haven't seen anything new coming out and got almost all the libraries back then. Possibly the new SampleTank3 might add some spark to these older libraries....

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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/29 22:14:02 (permalink)
    I got infinite player with excellent Neil Peart Drums. (the kit is more expensive and comperhensive than the one for Session Drummer) I since added the Sonic Reality roto-tom kit which filled a hole in my drum collection.

    I bought the tron capsule for 11 bucks in the recent sale. I have not had chance to try it yet - I passed on the rest of the Kapsuls as I was either not intrested or hed the SampleTank versions.

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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/29 23:35:29 (permalink)
    Boy, do I feel like a dupe! So I just re-purchased my SampleTank libraries. Well, maybe I can recoup some of the investment by ... spending some more money! Roto-toms, yep, that's the ticket.


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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 01:11:00 (permalink)
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    Boy, do I feel like a dupe! So I just re-purchased my SampleTank libraries. Well, maybe I can recoup some of the investment by ... spending some more money! Roto-toms, yep, that's the ticket.
    It happens to the best of us!  It is a relief to see that such venerable experience gets duped every now and then.


    More seriously, I have been very suspicious about all these sales remarkable sales of SampleTank kapsules, modules (Samplemoog, SampleTron, Miroslav, etc).  I too purchased them back in 2010.  But the last half year (or at least for several months) they have been on clearance priced sales.  I had hoped that the apparent "dumping" (yet again) of this product line at rock bottom prices was signaling that the advent of the new SampleTank (the 3rd) was about to be launched.  Isn't this often the way it works with so many of these large software sample companies:  they start selling all their line at a very, very low price, and then the buyer finds that a few weeks later the next version is introduced.  You know what I mean.  You have been around here long enough to see the pattern.


    Sorry you got "taken" ole " bit" but you know that song says "we won't be fooled again". However, perhaps it is I who am the fool for hoping that the long (make that long, long, long . . . . .) awaited SampleTank 3 (with a GUI one can actually see without a magnifying glass) is near the market.  


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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 01:28:59 (permalink)
    To suggest that bit got "taken" by SR is really unfair, IMO. They offer sample libraries in different formats for legitimate reasons.

    For instance, some folks may want the Kapsules containing SampleTank content in Kontakt format because they own Kontakt but do not own SampleTank.

    Some folks have both samplers and buy the samples in both formats just for the convenience of using them in either one.

    There is no mischief afoot here.

    Just my $0.02.

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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 08:09:18 (permalink)
    Bit, you could try contacting SR directly via PM... user "squids" (Dave Kerzner) on KVR is the main guy at SR, and seems like a very reasonable fellow. I'd say just PM him, explain that you had no idea that the sounds you purchased were just ST in a different format, and ask politely for a refund or store credit (more likely) w/ the promise that you delete the content, etc.
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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 08:55:24 (permalink)
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    Boy, do I feel like a dupe! So I just re-purchased my SampleTank libraries. Well, maybe I can recoup some of the investment by ... spending some more money! Roto-toms, yep, that's the ticket.

    Two things:
     
    1) Contact allen "at" esoundz.com and let him know about what happened.  He might can suggest some other packs and offer an exchange.  I can't say for certain he will, but I think a polite email would likely get you some sort of exchange or credits or something.  They're definitely one of the companies that tries to do things right by the customer, at least in my opinion.   He'll respnd faster than Squids, who is doing a lot of recording right now.
     
    2) There is quite a bit of Infinite Player content that is not available for Sampletank.  To me, the best uses of the Infinite Player are the Drum Masters drum kits (multitrack) and the Ocean Way for Kontakt drum kits.  Definitely check out the Jerry Marotta Taos kit...it's unlike any drum kit that I know that's available.  When you install the infinite player, you get a foundation library that has an example of a multitrack kit and such.
     
    Epik Drums and the Serafine Tron Fx are also pretty unique.  Some of the Kontakt Kapsules have Sampletank content but are not Sampletank Xpansions.  For example, the Orchestral Kapsules for Kontakt have the Miroslav library...but they can't advertise it that way (I don't know why).  That version does have one very distinct advantage over the Sampletank library...it has keyswitches!  The Vintage Kasule has content from a variety of areas....most of which is in Sonik Synth 2, I think.  The Tron Kapsule is a mystery to me.  I'm not sure if those patches are in Sampetron or one of Squids Tron Collections or something else.  I'm a Genesis fan, but I'm not much on playing Trons.
     
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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 10:51:21 (permalink)
    +1 Smokey
    "Keyswitches" - (that's one of the benefits I couldn't remember).

    Allen @ Esoundz is a very reasonable and customer oriented guy....he personally helped me out a lot when I bought all those SampleTank libraries. Dave, I'm sure they'll work something out that'll benefit you......you've really got nothing to loose by emailing and asking. 

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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 11:02:34 (permalink)
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    Well, maybe I can recoup some of the investment by ... spending some more money! 

    LMAO!


    Oh wait, I do that all the time.
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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 11:28:16 (permalink)
    No, I can't say I got "taken". I should have done my research and not given in to an impulse buy. OTOH, artificial deadlines ("hurry! last chance!") are meant to encourage quick purchase decisions. Ironically, I didn't even make it in time for the sale price, having placed my order 15 minutes after the deadline.

    This is why, contrary to the adage, experience is a terrible teacher: because you get the lesson after the test.




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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 12:32:56 (permalink)
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    This is why, contrary to my age, experience has taught me to get two of everything.


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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 14:29:51 (permalink)
    I was very aware that the Kapsules were the same as my other Sonic Reality SampleTank libraries, however, I couldn't resist getting the Tron Kapsule in the KONTAKT (well, using the Infinite Player). After using my ePointz I think it cost me around 5 bucks. However, bitflipper, I like your quote! It reminds me of some similar ones on the same topic, but I think you put it quite well, it's a bit (pun might be intended, I won't tell) funnier than the famous similar quotes. Maybe, down the road, we'll see your quote with the rest! The spirit of it kind of reminds me of "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils" (Louis Hector Berlioz). - Peter
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    Re:Infinite Player? 2011/11/30 15:07:02 (permalink)
    "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils" (Louis Hector Berlioz)

    That's a good one. Reminds me of the similarly droll "50% of all marriages end in divorce, which isn't so bad if you consider that the other 50% end in death." Jerry Seinfeld, IIRC.

    But the one that keeps me going is from Calvin Coolidge, because it applies perfectly to musical pursuits:

    Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated failures. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.


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    Re:Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank 2011/11/30 18:40:00 (permalink)
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    What's the deal with Sonic Reality's Infinite Player? What is it, exactly, and what's it good for?

    [EDIT: answer: SampleTank libraries repackaged for Kontakt]

    It's good to buy for $11 and then use as a crossgrade deal on Kontakt @ 50% off....
     
    That's the only good thing I can think of....
     
    Now for the bad...... 

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    Re:Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank 2011/11/30 23:02:18 (permalink)
    I picked up the Infinite Player in the Nigel Tufnel Day sale, along with the Tron Kapsule. 

    I don't have Sample Tank, so I don't have to worry about Kapsules duplicating my ST content.  I am curious which Kapsules people are recommending, though.
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    Re:Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank 2011/12/01 14:26:11 (permalink)
    I figured I'd better update my opinions on Infinite Player after such a negative post. I don't want to leave the impression that this product is a bad value.

    In fact, if you don't own SampleTank (is there anybody left on the planet who doesn't, aside from mumpcake?) and you don't have a lot of third-party libraries already, then Infinite Player provides a way to add a range of useable sounds to your palette cheaply.

    There are also newer add-ons available that are not derived from SampleTank, although because none of them were offered at deep discounts I didn't buy any.

    You'd think there would be some advantages to using Kontakt as the host over the dated SampleTank engine, but I haven't found any yet. There are in fact some curious restrictions to IP, e.g. you cannot add your own samples to an IP instrument, nor can you use Kontakt's built-in effects. Apparently, IP instrument definitions are read-only even under full Kontakt. Sonic Reality has somewhat compensated for this limitation by including modulators, filters and whatnot that you can bypass or engage.

    All in all, I still feel like an idiot for buying it but I don't feel ripped off. IP will find some uses, I think.


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    Re:Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank 2011/12/01 15:31:39 (permalink)
    I have only one instrument in Infinite Player and that is Cinema Sessions. It would be nice to see a complete list of instruments or Kapsules that go with Infinite Player... which can actually be found here: http://www.sonicreality.com/infinite-player/
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    Re:Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank 2011/12/01 18:22:48 (permalink)
    Bit.. thing is Sonic Reality use the same things on multi formats.. eg.. I have their stuff in reason refills also as well as with sample tank
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    Re:Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank 2011/12/01 23:14:10 (permalink)
    It makes perfect sense to get maximum mileage from their library investment by making it available in different formats. They could be a little more upfront about it, though. There is no mention of it in their online product descriptions. I only discovered that these were SampleTank libraries from an offhand remark by squids in an old KVR thread.


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    Re:Infinite Player: How I got duped into re-purchasing SampleTank 2011/12/01 23:16:00 (permalink)
    Oh, wow, I feel like I've joined a club...I'm typing this under FireFox 8.01 on my laptop - new install, new O/S - and woohoo! Now I can now **** and moan about the lack of linefeeds like the rest of you guys.
    ^^^ note that the horizontal rule works, though, even if linefeeds don't.
    Also, I see you can't use the word "****" on here. So I won't be ****ing about that.

    BTW, the break command does work. You can insert linefeeds in your posts by typing in, er, I can't tell you what to type in, because it gets interpreted as a line break.
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