Chrome98
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How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
I have been playing live with MIDI sequences and now am learning to record. My computer does not have a MIDI driver so I use a E-MU 1616 pci and a Roland SD-50 to get sound out. I am wanting to record with the sequences, but I record my vocals as audio,which will play out of my computer, the sequence is MIDI,which comes out of my external sound setup, so how do I get everything to come out of one source or the other? Can I convert the MIDI tracks to an Audio file? And will it still be able to be edited? Can I get my Vocals to come out with the MIDI's? HELP!!
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 09, 11 3:03 AM
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To continue.... I have been using Sonar 4 to run my sequences and have learned on my own how to edit them and get them set up. Just purchased Music Creator 6 as a bundle, bought the tutorials and they are great. However I need some feedback as to how to get myself setup so I can hear my tracks while I'm laying down the vocals. Trying to figure it out. I'm from the 4-track cassette era, ping-ponging and all that, so this is uncharted territory for me. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Beagle
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 09, 11 6:58 AM
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if you want to use the SD-50's sounds then you simply run audio cables from the SD-50 to the EMU-1616 and record the output of the SD50 by setting up an audio track with the inputs set to where you plugged in the SD50's audio outputs, arm the track and hit record. MIDI will go to the SD50, audio will come from the SD50 to the EMU1616 and record it on the audio track. if you'd rather use a softsynth, then set up SI Drums in MC6 as the output to the MIDI track you're recording. then you're done. as far as hearing your tracks while laying down vocals, it should be as simple as connecting headphones to the EMU1616. set up your vocal track, arm it, press the record button on MC6 and you should hear your backing track playing from the project as you sing.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 09, 11 8:22 AM
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Welcome. You should take the time to learn how to use soft synths that come with MC6. I too came from the world of tape into the digital age. It is so much easier and nicer once you get a good understanding of how this all works. I personally, do everything "inside the box" now. I have a midi keyboard which I use to generate the midi note data and send it into the DAW via my interface midi in. Once inside, I use the soft synths to "make the sounds" and absolutely love the possibilities I have available to me. The data gets recorded. To convert it to audio, you either freeze the synth OR bounce the synth to Track. Audio and midi edit differently. It's always a good idea to make as many edits as needed to the midi track before the bounce. Once bounced.... audio is more difficult to edit.... not impossible but definitely not as easy as midi. I would suggest, as a new user with MC6 that you look at the tutorials and information that Cake has provided for you to get you started. They will be very helpful. Then, after watching them, and working them, if you have questions....and you probably will, come here and post them and we'll do our best to get you pointed in the right direction. Music Creator is classified as a "Beginners DAW" but I think that does it a great injustice since it is a highly capable DAW... it simply does not have all the bells and whistles and add-on things that the "big DAW's" like X! and producer have. BUT, I think that is a blessing in many ways, because it doesn't distract you with all the "other stuff". You can focus on the project at hand and get the recording done.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 10, 11 2:03 AM
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I did just as you are saying and I got the tracks down, however they came out at about 1/2 tempo and I can't get the meter to change the tempo. It says it is at the same tempo, but it is way slow. I was trying the soft synth method, got confused and went with what i new would work. I need to figure the "bounce to track" thing out. Thanks for the help, I'll be in here a lot, talk to you later.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 10, 11 2:10 AM
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I have gone through all the tutorials and I'll do it again and again. I was using Sonar 4 and this is far more than that was, and I can see the possibility's are great, I have been at it for 4 days, need to be more patient I suppose. Baby steps right now. Too much info in a short amount of time. Later
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Beagle
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 10, 11 7:17 AM
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well, but you've not been here for 4 days straight - keep coming back more often and we'll try to help you work it out. one of us "veterans" is here every couple of hours anyway. I really don't understand what you mean by "It says it is at the same tempo but it is way too slow" what is at the same tempo as what? what won't let you change the tempo? where are you trying to change the tempo? when you say you did what "you are saying" - which person are you talking to? several of us made suggestions and some of us made more than one suggestion. you have to be more specific for us to help you.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 10, 11 8:10 AM
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Baby steps are good. One step at a time and before long you've cover quite a distance.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 10, 11 10:11 AM
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I'm not sure if you can bounce midi tracks to audio if you are using GS. I think you need to use soft synths.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 10, 11 12:06 AM
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Sorry Beagle, I thought I was answering your post, got to get used to this too!! I ran my midi's through the SD-50, back into the E-MU, did them one at a time as per the Calkwalk Support piece I located. All tracks came through as audio tracks. The tempo is slow on the audio tracks, as compared to the MIDI sequence. As the info displayed in the counter window was not changed, I tried to change the tempo in the counter window, also tried to insert a tempo change, nothing was responding. The tracks I recorded as audio are slower by a good 1/3rd. Did I miss a step somewhere? I checked to see if my E-MU's timing and clock were not off, that seemed OK as far as I can tell. I will try all of this again and try some of the other options, like doing it with the soft synth. I'll try and be more specific. Thanks for the help.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 10, 11 12:14 AM
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Thanks for the tips Guitarhacker, I want to be able to do this "In the Box", that makes more sense to me. This is all the program I need for now, that's why I went with the MC6. I'll be back, Thanks everybody that has responded.
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Beagle
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 10, 11 1:25 PM
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I'm still not quite following you. The tempo is slow on the audio tracks, as compared to the MIDI sequence so if you play the project after you've done recording the audio onto the project then your SD-50 is not playing at the same speed as the recorded drum audio? As the info displayed in the counter window was not changed I don't understand this, the info in the "counter window?" where are you seeing a "counter window" and what does this info say? also tried to insert a tempo change, nothing was responding how are you trying to insert a tempo change? give me details on the steps you're taking. and you must understand that changing the tempo AFTER you've recorded the audio will NOT affect the audio! it will ONLY affect the MIDI!
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57Gregy
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 0:14 PM
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Make sure that the sampling rate and bit depth are the same in MC and the E-Mu.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 0:42 PM
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Beagle, the audio tracks that I recorded from the midi sequence are slower than the midi sequence itself, the tempo is at 100 bpm, the time signature is 4/4, ect. on both. The SD-50 is not involved with the audio tracks, they are playing now through my computer. I'm thinking I have something not set right. I looked at the audio track files and the bit rate was 705kbps. Something is not in sync. so I will investigate more.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 1:08 AM
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Bit rate and bit depth aren't the same thing. MC is set to 44,100 Hz sampling rate @ 16-bit by default. That's the CD standard. Open up the E-Mu's software mixer and see what it is set at. If it has software.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 2:26 AM
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57Gregy, I did check the E-MU and it was set at 44,100 Hz, I didn't check the bit-rate, I will do that. Does the SD-50 need to be set also. At this point I do not have the SD-50 running directly in to the computer, it's main function has been a Midi Sound Module. I may have some redundancy trying to go through too many units. When I had this computer built, I ended up with a motherboard that was not MIDI capable, so I have to run signal out through the E-MU, to the SD-50 and out to my PA head for sound. Not my idea, mind you. The former brother-in-law, thought I needed a nuclear video and gaming set-up instead. It works great for live performance, kinda sucks for recording, until I can get it configured. Thank you and everybody for their input and tips.
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Beagle
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 7:55 AM
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Chrome98 Beagle, the audio tracks that I recorded from the midi sequence are slower than the midi sequence itself, the tempo is at 100 bpm, the time signature is 4/4, ect. on both. The SD-50 is not involved with the audio tracks, they are playing now through my computer. I'm thinking I have something not set right. I looked at the audio track files and the bit rate was 705kbps. Something is not in sync. so I will investigate more. when you say the SD-50 is not involved with the audio tracks, I don't understand that. isn't that how you recorded the audio tracks? or do you mean after you've recorded them and press play, you're don't have the SD-50 hooked up any more and the timing is out of sync? if that's the case, the sampling rate is important like greg says. also look in preferences and see what you have listed for the RECORDING and PLAYBACK DEVICES - are they the same? list them here.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 10:08 AM
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Just looked at the 1616 at the Creative site. Apparently, it doesn't do 16 bit. "Bit Depths: 24 bit I/O, 32 bit processing" Change MC to 24-bit.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 10:15 AM
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And no, the Roland doesn't have to be set if you're using the audio outputs. It's just analog sound, not digital zeroes and ones. The sound enters the 1616 which converts it to digital, then on to MC.
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Beagle
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 3:09 PM
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MC shouldn't allow him to choose 16bit if the drivers don't allow it. it gets the options directly from the drivers. I do agree that 24bit is better to use, but I think 16bit shouldn't be causing his problems.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 11, 11 7:27 PM
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My terminology is not politically correct I know, I will work on that. However I have discovered that I had the driver set for the E-MU wrong, Had it set to MME(32bit),instead of ASIO. The E-MU was set at 44,100 Hz, 24 bit. It is in sync to the MC6, the "locked" light is green. Going to start all over again and will let you know what happens. 57Gregy, you are right the E-MU is 24 bit, glad you pointed that out. Beagle, the SD-50 is the sound source for my MIDI's. It is not part of my internal computer system audio, that is Realtek. Yes, the SD-50 was what I used to get the MIDI signal to make sound, sent it through the E-MU to the MC6 as audio.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 13, 11 11:30 PM
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Hey, Beagle, Guitarhacker, 57Gregy, Success!! By golly I think I got it! Just finished exporting my first tune, it's a rough mix and will finish soon but damn I figured out the Bouncing, freezing, Synthing thing. Thank you guy's for your help. It works real good doing it "in the box" and sounds great! the only thing I need to figure out right now is when I was recording my vocal track i could not hear it with the mix. Is there a monitor setting I'm missing? Any way I'm sure I'll run into more questions so I'll be in touch.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 14, 11 8:02 AM
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The Echo input button will allow you to hear the track. But depending on the interface you use, you might be able to monitor off of it even better. Here's how I monitor my vocals: My Saffire interface has 8 outputs. I send 2 to my monitors...R&L. (During vocal tracking they are turned off. ) The next 2 are sent to an old stereo amp. Speakers are off, headphones are on. I listen from here. the other 4 outputs... one goes to a sub, 3 are not used. The only time I need to turn on the ECHO INPUT is the rare occasions where I use a guitar sim and wish to hear the effected sound.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 14, 11 10:47 PM
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Chrome98, you can set up direct monitoring from Patchmix(the E-MU mixer), but it may be easier to just use Input Echo in MC. You will want to set the latency very low, in the 2-4ms range, for vocals. If you are using soft synths for your other tracks, freeze them first, as they tend to be a little unhappy at very low latency. Read the PDF manual for the E-MU1616. It's a great sound card, but Patchmix can be a little tricky until you get the hang of it. Glad to see you are making progress.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 14, 11 11:13 PM
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Thanks gentlemen, I tried the Input Echo and it was like echo, so I can mess with the latency and see if that will do it. I have Kenwood stereo amp, that I monitor all the midi's on I'll mess with that configuration also. Be nice to have it all on the computer though. Thanks again, later.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 14, 11 11:31 PM
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This is how I work: I have the MIDI cables from my keyboard connected to my interface, interface to computer. Plug mic cords into interface for voice, acoustic guitar or recording my guitar and bass amps. I have the audio output from my interface and the audio output from my MIDI keyboard connected to a small Yamaha mixer. The mixer is connected to my stereo receiver. When recording my MIDI tracks, I use the keyboard sounds and monitor from the stereo. When recording a mic, I turn off or mute the stereo and monitor everything from the mixer via headphones. I almost never record using soft synths or audio effects in SONAR; it's later in the process that I try out different synths and effects to get the sounds and instruments I want.
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 15, 11 1:51 AM
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Very similar set up as I got, just need to get the outputs from the Interface to the mixer. Cool, thanks. p.s. I put down the vocal track yesterday, got the 1616 and the MC6 on the same page @24bit, man that sounded good. I'm glad you mentioned that, I could have chased that for a good while!!
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Chrome98
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 28, 11 4:06 AM
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Thought I'd post an update on my progress, spent last week getting three tunes put together and nearing a final mix on all three. Thank you gentlemen, Guitarhacker, 57Gregy, and Beagle, for all your help. After my first week of panic and frustration,(considered selling my crap and taking up needlepoint), I followed your suggestions and am starting to get the jist of this thing. More questions to come I'm sure, but for now I'm having a ball. Thanks again, talk to you soon.
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 28, 11 8:11 AM
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that's the payoff! persistence and reaching for a lifeline when you can't figure something out! glad things are going well!
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Re:How do I convert MIDI Files to Audio
December 28, 11 8:29 AM
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Yeah buddy! That's what makes it all worth while. It took me slightly longer than 2 weeks to start grasping this whole recording thing and start to see forward momentum.
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