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Critique on mix
Hey guys, Would appreciate your thoughts on the mix of a song called "Diamonds (revised)" at the top of this page I'm mixing in a new room I don't know if I trust or not yet. Thanks in advance, Randy EDIT: I just joined soundcloud and uploaded the (higher res) wav here http://soundcloud.com/g-randy-brown/diamonds-wip
post edited by g_randybrown - 2012/01/01 18:00:45
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/22 19:13:06
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IF you just want the mix (since I can't get past that drum/guitar intro timing issue without commenting on it!) : - hihats too far right, makes the snare and kick sound rightish as a result
- that string thing on the left is too far left, and needs a hpf up to about 600hz
- vocals need a hpf up to about 200hz
- guitars need compression
- bass is almost non existant except for the very lows
- I would get rid of the strings altogether on the first verse (or is that the chorus?) and then bring it in again for the second time around
- BGVox need a huge hpf around 500hz
- piano is a real struggle to hear...get a nice compressor on that as well
- the whole mix needs some widening: it is very obvious where stuff is paned to and there is no movement across the listener's head
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/22 19:32:52
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I agree with James about the timing issue in the intro. The song is very ambitious, but good, and it deserves the best you have. The mix lacks fullness on my system, and it sounds pretty wet, as well. I have less of a problem with your EQ than James, but it's not very punchy, yet. I think the performances are there, and with the judicious use of a compressor or limiter here and there, this could be a contender. I don't know what you mix on, but perhaps try listening to a commercial CD that's similar in scope to your song in order to attune your ears for mixing. Keep up the good work.
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/23 08:31:07
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Thanks very much guys, I will do my best to fix everything you've suggested and post the revised later today. Ah yes, the spastic/rushing drummer on the intro...this was the first time I tried using the step sequencer, and after doing so I shelved the song so long I couldn't/can't figure out how to open it back up to edit it. If I open it in PRV I see 2 or 3 "notes" where there would ordinarily be a lot more for all the flams going on. I can't even move them though; I'm guessing there's a way to re-open them in the step sequencer to fix the issues but I can't figure out how....any suggestions? What compressors and EQs in X1 would you suggest James...and what settings, generally speaking? By no means do I don't consider myself a mixing guy and this will probably be pretty challenging for me as there's a lot of tracks that I've already had a hard time making present enough ...it seems when I do get a particular part the way I like it I've messed up something else by doing so.
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/23 12:32:17
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Thanks for sharing the song. Ya, I would work on that room.
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/23 12:38:21
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bapu Thanks for sharing the song. Ya, I would work on that room. Well.... I blamed the room but honestly it's more due to me not knowing what to do about what I'm hearing/not hearing....but I think I've finally decided to do something about that. Thanks bud, Randy
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/23 20:57:26
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Interesting prog-ish lite style track that a i quite liked and has great potential once the mix and timing issues mentioned are addressed. I very much liked the guitar playing and tone you got at the end of the track.
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/24 09:52:28
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Thanks very much John, I really appreciate that! If someone can answer the questions I had in my 2nd post I'll do my best to fix it....hears how ignorant I am; I'm guessing James' suggestion of hpf means high pass frequency filter and I never use them (I usually just mess with a graphic eq). So one question would be, does he mean lower all frequencies below the frequencies he mentioned and if so how much. And when he says "bass is almost non existant except for the very lows" I'm guessing he means add some mids but would really like to know about where. He also said "the whole mix needs some widening: it is very obvious where stuff is paned to and there is no movement across the listener's head". I'm really confused by this comment...doesn't widening mean panning (and he suggested some things were panned too far)? And finally "there is no movement across the listener's head"; I'm sure he doesn't mean to automate some (moving) panning but I don't know what he does mean. I listened to some of James' stuff and found it has the clarity and punch I'm wanting so hopefully he or someone else can elaborate on some of his suggestions. Thanks again guys, Randy
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/24 12:17:10
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g_randybrown Thanks very much John, I really appreciate that! If someone can answer the questions I had in my 2nd post I'll do my best to fix it....hears how ignorant I am; I'm guessing James' suggestion of hpf means high pass frequency filter and I never use them (I usually just mess with a graphic eq). So one question would be, does he mean lower all frequencies below the frequencies he mentioned and if so how much. HPF can be sloped, so either a huge drop or a more gradual one, depending on the issue. The ProChannel has that option on its eq. And when he says "bass is almost non existant except for the very lows" I'm guessing he means add some mids but would really like to know about where. It means I feel the bass, but I don't hear any note attacks. Anywhere above 80 hz to 220 hz is where you need to concentrate. He also said "the whole mix needs some widening: it is very obvious where stuff is paned to and there is no movement across the listener's head". I'm really confused by this comment...doesn't widening mean panning (and he suggested some things were panned too far)? And finally "there is no movement across the listener's head"; I'm sure he doesn't mean to automate some (moving) panning but I don't know what he does mean. Insert the Channel Tools effect in various tracks/busses and start using the presets. You will see what I meant. I listened to some of James' stuff and found it has the clarity and punch I'm wanting so hopefully he or someone else can elaborate on some of his suggestions. Thanks again guys, Randy
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/24 15:09:46
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It means I feel the bass, but I don't hear any note attacks. Anywhere above 80 hz to 220 hz is where you need to concentrate. I think one problem may be is there is no bass guitar, it's a Rapture round wound thing and Garritan dbl bass. One thing I'm doing is separating the notes somewhat so they don't slur together so much and I've applied a ProCh bass preset to their buss and it seems to bring out the attack somewhat. Insert the Channel Tools effect in various tracks/busses and start using the presets. You will see what I meant. I had pretty much forgotten about ProCh because I had so many crashes when I first started using it I quit. I've only had one crash so far though so fingers crossed (mid January I'll be upgrading to an I7 2600K) I will try to get this as good as I can before uploading and asking you guys to listen again.... so it may be a while. Thanks James, Randy
post edited by g_randybrown - 2011/12/24 15:10:53
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/24 15:11:31
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Musically I enjoyed the prog feel to this...Nice creative guitar playing BTW. Lyrically I really liked the phrase about tools and diamonds in the hands of fools but I found myself wanting to get from the abstract into the concrete. Maybe touching on an example of how you thought someone was rough but then you realized their "diamond-ness" or something along those lines. This way in which the abstract idea became real to you... Nice job!
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/24 17:29:17
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Actually the word tools is not in there...maybe you mean (both are precious) jewels"? Anyway, here's the lyrics (a guy named Kirk Spencer and I wrote) which I'm pretty happy with except for the la la las which I think of as fillers for now until I can come up with real words. I'd like to hear any suggestions for that spot and would be willing to give someone whatever percentage of words that turned out to be (I didn't do the math) assuming there will ever be a percentage to give : ) It seems to me that all of us, are just diamonds in the rough Its not been easy getting the proper polish with the cut And when you do it hurts and the dust gets in your eyes But the tears dont last and you find a little sparkle when they dry Time keeps chippin away at every one of us Some of us break while others get better with every cut Love can polish the worst of us with a luster that is clear And the more we use it the more we see it's the reason we're all here Chorus: Hearts are like diamonds, both are precious jewels Both of them are waisted in the hands of a fool...la la la Diamonds are the hardest substance I've heard many claim But through hidden plans I've seen some hearts turn out the same Like diamonds that are hidden deep within the ground These hearts are precious jewels that love just hasn't found
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/24 17:37:56
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Really cool tune, looking forward to the remix.
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Re:Critique on mix
2011/12/26 18:28:32
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Well I'm sure glad I got these solid suggestions because I feel it's much better now. I redid the drums on the intro and found a lot of fancy schmancy Pro Ch presets (they kept crashing every time I hit play but I took "guitartrek's advice and took a snippet .jpg to copy from to make my own presets"). Anyway I feel it's much closer...maybe I'll ask someone to clean it up a little more and master at some point but that'll be after I get a real singer to sing it. That said I would still like to hear suggestions (I'm still concerned about the mix at some points...especially if I overdid the contrabass strings) Thanks for your help my friends, Randy EDIT: I just joined soundcloud and uploaded the (higher res) wav here http://soundcloud.com/g-randy-brown/diamonds-wip
post edited by g_randybrown - 2011/12/26 20:03:59
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/01 14:41:04
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So almost a week and no one has commented...is it just so darned impeccable that no one can improve on it or did I screw it up even worse and no one wants to hurt my feelings? I don't profess to be a sound engineer so don't worry about the latter. Thanks, Randy
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/01 17:09:20
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If you put your new link in the first post, you might get more comments. The mix don't sound bad, I listen to your SC link. I didn't listen to your soundclick link. Tim
post edited by Scoobie - 2012/01/01 17:11:43
Outback Remote Recording, 16 or 24 track mobile rig.
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/01 18:02:41
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Thanks very much Tim...and I added the link in my 1st post.
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/01 19:55:59
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Just an opinion - I would like to hear the lead vocals come up a bit more. There are places where (to me) they get drowned out by the BGV. This is most noticable to me the first time the BGV comes in. I have old ears and am probably a bit deficient in that part of the spectrum but I would still like to hear the lead vocals just a bit louder across the whole song. Glen
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/01 19:58:10
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randy - I don't have any critiques to give which haven't already been given. I do agree with all of the comments that have been made so far. keep it up!!!
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/03 09:15:17
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gcolbert Just an opinion - I would like to hear the lead vocals come up a bit more. There are places where (to me) they get drowned out by the BGV. This is most noticable to me the first time the BGV comes in. I have old ears and am probably a bit deficient in that part of the spectrum but I would still like to hear the lead vocals just a bit louder across the whole song. Glen I intentionally left the vocals down because I don't care for my voice much and definitely didn't want it in your face but I'll take your advice and turn it up some...thanks!
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/03 09:17:56
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I don't have any critiques to give which haven't already been given
Do you feel the critiques still apply as much....I mean is there anything you would still do specifically? Thanks Reece!
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/03 12:13:13
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This is cool tunage. I like the song. The bass is still low in the mix. I think the vocals could be brighter. The toms could come down just a tad. Very well put together! Excellent song!
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/04 11:52:31
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Okay Robert, here is my best interpretation of your suggestions. I added some mids to the GPO dbl bass and Rapture bass (since others also stated the bass had no punch just bottom) and added some upper mids (around 2K) to the lead vox. At some point I'd like to hand this over to someone that really knows what they're doing....I don't know why but toward the end (where the guitar comes in) it just seems to get real thin...but I'm tired of messing with it...I think it's time to move on to writing some new material. Thanks very much Robert, Randy
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/04 12:07:44
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g_randybrown Insert the Channel Tools effect in various tracks/busses and start using the presets. You will see what I meant. I had pretty much forgotten about ProCh because I had so many crashes when I first started using it I quit. I've only had one crash so far though so fingers crossed (mid January I'll be upgrading to an I7 2600K) I will try to get this as good as I can before uploading and asking you guys to listen again.... so it may be a while. Thanks James, Randy Randy, I hope this was a type-o, because what James was suggesting was using the Channel Tools plug-in and not the Pro- Channel that is in X1. The Channel Tools plug-in is for use on stereo recorded tracks and being able to move the sound around in the stereo field, like you are able to do with panning on mono tracks.
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/04 12:13:29
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Thatsastrat g_randybrown Insert the Channel Tools effect in various tracks/busses and start using the presets. You will see what I meant. I had pretty much forgotten about ProCh because I had so many crashes when I first started using it I quit. I've only had one crash so far though so fingers crossed (mid January I'll be upgrading to an I7 2600K) I will try to get this as good as I can before uploading and asking you guys to listen again.... so it may be a while. Thanks James, Randy Randy, I hope this was a type-o, because what James was suggesting was using the Channel Tools plug-in and not the Pro- Channel that is in X1. The Channel Tools plug-in is for use on stereo recorded tracks and being able to move the sound around in the stereo field, like you are able to do with panning on mono tracks. Thanks very much Bruce...it was not a typo, I misunderstood. I just looked up channel tools in X1 Power...I'll read it now and report back. Thanks again sir, Randy BTW, is there a way to unload ProCh presets (to none) or does one have to just turn all the different effects "power button" off?
post edited by g_randybrown - 2012/01/04 12:17:27
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/04 12:25:59
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Very nice composition here! I enjoyed this song very much. Your singing is fine GRB!
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/04 12:40:11
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Randy, I just listened to this again, and it's night and day from the version I heard a few days ago. The intro sounds better, and the mix sounds more even. This is an ambitious song to mix, but I think you are on the right track. I often step away from a difficult mix for a period of time and come back to it later with fresh ears. You have definitely improved this song. Don't give up on it.
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Re:Critique on mix
2012/01/04 21:18:13
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The mix is a lot better. I'm on my HD280s now. I'll give it a listen again on my monitors when I can. Very cool! Well done!
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