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Multiple Microphones In MC6?
Can I Use More Than One USB Microphone In MC6?? Because My Band Is Now Getting Together To Record And We Need Multiple Microphones For Our Drumset.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 25, 11 4:46 PM
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Do not use USB microphones with MC6 at all. They cause more problems than they solve. The best bet is to use a USB AUDIO INTERFACE and a mixer with normal mics. There used to be a "sticky post" at the top of the MC forum but I just looked and it's gone. USB mics are problematic when trying to set them up. Very difficult for advanced users to get them to work right. Sometimes they will work OK for simple audio but NO..... you do not even want to try using 2 in one computer.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 25, 11 6:20 PM
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Is It Just Hard To Set Up? Is That What Your Saying? I Don't Have Money For A Mixer Right Now, Is The Quality Bad With USB Mics On The Software? I Have 2 Regular Microphones And 4 USB Microphones, But I Can't Use The Regular Cause I Don't Have A Mixer. When We Record Our Guitar's We Have A USB Mic Right On The Amp And It Works Fine. And When I Record For Vocals I Have A USB Mic On The Microphone Amp And It Sounds Fine. But Idk What Else To Do For Better Quality With No Mixer.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 25, 11 7:37 PM
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The biggest problem is that each USB mic has its own sound card built in. So you would be working with three different sound cards. Getting them to stay in sync with each other can be difficult. In the case of MC6, you only have two audio inputs available. That is two mono or one stereo pair. Since the software will probably see your USB mics as stereo inputs, it will allow you to select one or the other, but not both at the same time. You can try it, but don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out. Even with a proper setup, drums can be tricky to record. Get familiar with Studio Instruments Drums, and download Session Drummer 2($10 well spent). I would suggest running with what you have for now, and save up for some recording hardware. Sell or return the USB mics, and use the money to buy an interface and/or mixer that suits your needs better. Consider upgrading to X1 Essentials. It supports multiple inputs. MC6 is a fine program, but you are asking it to do more than it was designed to do. This stuff isn't cheap, but if you do some research, you can get what you really need for a few hundred bucks. hth.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 25, 11 8:02 PM
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So With Sonar X1 Essential I Can Use Multiple Condenser Mics And/Or USB Mics? Cause If That's The Case I Will Buy It.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 25, 11 8:12 PM
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I Thought Sonar X1 Essential Was A Upgrade To Something.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 25, 11 9:58 PM
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LiveForToday So With Sonar X1 Essential I Can Use Multiple Condenser Mics And/Or USB Mics? Cause If That's The Case I Will Buy It. You would also need an audio interface that supports more than 2 inputs and has phantom power. There are many of those available, but cost more money. You can upgrade to X1 Essentials from MC 6.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 26, 11 0:45 PM
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Right. You would need the interface with phantom power to support the condenser mics. Or an interface and a small mixer that has phantom power. More inputs and outputs equals more expensive, so carefully consider your options before you buy anything. Regardless of your hardware setup, you would need at least X1 Essentials to accommodate more than two audio inputs. Understand that, while the software may support multiple inputs, your hardware dictates what is actually available to it. X1 Essentials is the base version of X1. X1 Expanded is an add-on to X1 Producer. Note that most of us do not recommend USB mics at all. However, you might be able to use two or more of them, using the WASAPI driver mode in X1. In theory, it supports multiple audio devices at low latency. No guarantees, but I'm the type to try just about anything once, just to see if it works. I have never done what you would be doing here, with four USB mics, so I can't offer any guidance. One word of caution: Always plug the same USB device into the same port-Every Time. If I were in your shoes, this is the path I would probably take: 1. get X1 Essentials 2. Try the USB mics 3. Get a mixer, at the very least, a Behringer Xenyx802, or, if you can swing it, a Xenyx1204. 4.Save up for a decent interface with at least four audio inputs. Be careful here, because most interfaces list several inputs, but not all of them are the proper type. Take your time and save up for what you really need. Don't spring for cheaper band-aid solutions, because it will cost you more in the long run. Good luck.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 26, 11 6:30 AM
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LiveForToday So With Sonar X1 Essential I Can Use Multiple Condenser Mics And/Or USB Mics? Cause If That's The Case I Will Buy It. even with X1 you shouldn't be using multiple USB mics. that will certainly cause you problems. why spend money on more USB mics instead of spending it on a recording soundcard (with a USB one you don't need a mixer also) and real recording mics? the problem with USB mics is that they have different clocks than your soundcard output and they have different clocks from each other. so you will have sync problems and will not be able to get your tracks to line up correctly on long takes.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 26, 11 8:47 AM
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The whole point of what we are all saying, and we have been working with the MC line of products for many years, is that a USB mic is not a good option for recording. While it may work just fine for some folks, it has serious limitations for just about all who use them. They are fine for simple one track stuff and pod casting and stuff like that but not when it comes to doing the recording like we do here. X1 essential is a fine program. I recently took advantage of the cross grade from Music Creator to X1e. Music Creator 4 was my main platform for better than 3 years, so I find no faults in MC at all. I loved the simplicity of MC4. As others have mentioned, the USB mics have their own internal clock which doesn't sync to the computer sound card's clock. This will cause two audio tracks that were recorded in MC and sounded perfectly good when recorded, to drift out of sync in playback. Now, add a third non-synced sound card in a second USB mic and you could (notice I said could.... not will) end up with a sonic mess of out of time tracks and no way to sync them since they were all recorded on different timing clocks. A dedicated USB interface solves ALL those problems.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 26, 11 10:19 AM
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that a USB mic is not a good option for recording. A USB mike works well for a single performer using a single simple instrument (like a guitar). MC6 used in this secnario and using MC6 to layer in additional tracks with either audio or MIDI works well and can provide solid results. Even though I can run 10 inputs into my DAW I can only think of one time that I have actually used more than two. There are some ways to 'Mickey Mouse' around the clock problem, depending on your equipment (interfaces and computers). Trust the guys who posted above though in that you do not want to do this. As soon as you decide to record acoustic drums your recording system requirements change significantly. Your drummer suddenly requires four times more recording equipment than I have ever used at one time. Doing the drums right calls for at least 8 microphones and input channels. Sad, but true. You may want to have your drummer shell out for the mikes and mixer (with a computer interface). Alternatively, he could add triggering devices or change to electronic drums so that you can do the percussion without having to burn up so much audio equipment. Regardless of how much engineeering improvision you go through, it an't gonna happen with a gaggle of USB mikes. Regardless of what type of microphones/mixers you choose to use, MC6 will only allow you to record two at a time. If you want to record the entire band it is time to step up to a more industrial strength product. X1 Essential (with a multi-IO recording interface) is the starting point. Glen
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 26, 11 3:12 PM
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What's So Bad About A GOOD USB Mic?
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 26, 11 4:50 PM
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What's So Bad About A GOOD USB Mic? There are actually two main answers here. The first relates to bad and the other relates to good. If we were to talk about 'good microphones' the first thing that you will find out is that there are junk microphones, consumer grade microphones, professional microphones, and studio equipment microphones. The price of professional and studio microphones is commonly in the thousands of dollars. Anyone puting out that kind of cash is going to use something better than a consumer grade pre amp and A/D converter so there aren't going to be any of these available in a USB version. USB microphones are based on either cheap or consumer grade microphones. Probably good enough for what you are looking for, but not professional grade equipment. Thats why they are generally considered bad. That's not to say that you can't record professional sound with consumer grade microphones, it is just not usually done that way. The reason that they aren't considered very good is that they aren't very usable. The USB protocol for audio and the sampling process used to encode the audio data need to be in relatively good synchronization when multiple sources are being recorded. If there were some way to synch the clocks in USB microphones they might have a little better acceptance. Professional A/D units provide for external clocking so that multiple microphones and instruments can be recorded simultaneously. They also generally provide the ability to add and control other devices in the siginal path (like tube preamps for saturation). With the USB microphone there is no flexability in how it is used in the signal chain. You are just better off having a recording interface that is designed for audio recording and then deciding what microphone you want to plug into it. A key problem with any computer sound equipment relates to dealing with latency. When recording you are probably going to find that you have to monitor at the 'sound card' level instead of monitoring at the computer (for latency reasons). With your microphone being the sound card you can only do zero latency monitoring at the microphone. Makes it rather hard to hear what else is going on in the recording session. It is a no-brainer to plug eight distinctly different types of microphones (some LD Cap, SD Cap and a few dynamics, each matching the type of drum/cymbal being recorded) into a recording mixer and feed the signal to a DAW. You simply can not do this with USB microphones. Focus on using what you have to record what you can. As you get a little further up on the learning curve you will learn the distinctions on your own. You have what you have, so you should learn to use it. Just be ready for the reality that this is not what you are going to want to have once you have a little more experience. Not to speak for anyone else on this forum (but I might as well) if you are going to spend money seting up for recording, you will spend it again if you buy more single-purpose USB equipment. Glen
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 26, 11 7:05 PM
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That's Very Helpful. I Have Like 4 Regular Microphones That Plug Into My Amps, And I Can't Find Any Audio Interfaces That Has REGULAR Microphone Inputs For Like The Amps. And It Kinda Sucks Because We Are Recording And Then Sending Our Demo Straight To Rise Records, But The Only Problem We Have Is Our Drum Set Recording. I Just Need Information On Which Audio Interfaces To Choose For The Kind Of Microphones I Have.
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 26, 11 10:33 PM
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Re:Multiple Microphones In MC6?
December 27, 11 8:33 AM
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A good recording interface like Beagle and Glen and others here have mentioned, do not have to be very expensive to be extremely useful. A budget around $150USD should get you a nice one. I also recommend having midi input on it as well so you can send any keyboards into the DAW as midi and use a soft synth to render the audio. (more choices in sounds) The timing issue for sync between tracks goes away since the interface syncs to the clock in the computer perfectly every time and the more tracks you record, the more you will appreciate that one thing. A professional level interface will have both the 1/4 inch and 3 prong XLR balanced audio/mic/guitar inputs on it as well as having phantom power for the better quality condenser mics. here's a pic of my Saffire: My guitar POD is plugged in to the R & L audio in and below those inputs you can see the XLR inputs. The MIDI input is on the back. Since I only record one thing at a time I do not use a mixer. If I had a band and wanted to use MC and this interface, I would be using a 16 channel mixer (or larger) and running the stereo outputs of the board into the R & L inputs where my POD is plugged in. BTW: best wishes with the record label. I'd like to hear a sample of what you are sending to them ... the kind of music you write....etc.... You can post it by including a link to your music in your signature like many of us do. Mine is accessible through my website.
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