SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6

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December 25, 11 11:59 PM (permalink)

SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6

I've been trying off and on for the past 10 hours to get Music Creator to cooperate with me and I'm still having problems with it. What I'm trying to do is import a MIDI file of a drum track I wrote in another program (TuxGuitar, sort of like a free Guitar Pro) and exported as a MIDI and get either the Sound Center or the SI-Drum Kit to play it for me. I've successfully gotten it to do three things: 1. Nothing 2. Play the drum track the way it sounds with the cheap samples in TuxGuitar, rather than any of the Studio Instruments or Sound Center synths, and 3. I think this is the furthest I've gotten I was able to get the SI-Drums to play the MIDI file, but I was hearing drastically different combinations of cymbals, kicks and snares then what I had written out in the file. I think this might be a drum mapping problem but I couldn't follow most of what I found in Cakewalk's help guides.

Can someone explain to me how I can get MC6 to use either SI-Drums or the Sound Center to play imported MIDI tracks that may or may not be mapped differently?

Many thanks in advance.
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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 26, 11 6:40 AM (permalink)
    I don't know anything about TuxGuitar, it might be sending note hits on something other than General MIDI notes.  if that's the case, then different kit pieces will sound from the MIDI triggering SI drums than it would from TuxGuitar.

    you can fix that in a drum map if you know or can figure out what the notes actually are for each kit piece in TuxGuitar.  to use a drum map, for your MIDI track's OUTPUT, select NEW DRUM MAP.

    then edit the drum map and make sure the output is set to SI Drums for each hit and you'll need to know what notes to remap to the General MIDI spec.

    you didn't mention which version of MC you have, but you can find information on drum maps in the help files (search for "drum maps") and there are some videos on youtube on it (again - search "cakewalk drum maps").

    I have some advanced information on drum maps on my website, which might help you a little since it has visual cues to it, but what I'm talking about is more advanced than you need for the purpose of remapping to GM.

    let us know if you have specific questions after trying this.

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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 26, 11 9:00 AM (permalink)

    Simplified explanation: if you do not understand something .... just ask for more details.

    The first time you do this,..... I would recommend opening a new NORMAL project. That gives you the 2 tracks and nothing else is in the project to confuse you... just a recommendation. I still do this BTW with all my new synths when I try them for the first time....So...

    Insert 2 new tracks. One audio & one midi. 

    Copy the midi data into the midi track....

    In teh audio track FX bin, click to insert a synth in the FX bin..... select the synth you wish to use from the available list. This will insert the synth and activate it. You generally will need to choose a patch or a sample set (instrument) for the synth to play. If it's a drum synth, you choose a kit. 

    return to the midi tracks and expand the view of the track inputs and outputs. On the output, click and look at the options. You should see the name of the synth you just added to the audio track. select it. 

    At this point..... you should have music on playback. 

    More stuff on synths is available on my website Music & Recording pages on midi and channels and such things. 
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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 1:01 AM (permalink)
    I tried both methods you guys suggested but for some reason I can't seem to get this to work. I've found all the options you're talking about but I can't make SI drums play my MIDI file, or the sound center. I'm not sure how else to figure this out. I guess  I don't really understand what track the MIDI file has to be in and how to get the softsynths working? I have Music Creator 6 by the way, it was in the title of the thread, but I probably should have mentioned that again. 
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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 8:52 AM (permalink)
    In the sound center... did you load an instrument?

    Another option is to work the step by step setup in TTS for drums.... it's on my website under the Recording and Music page. It uses TTS on channel 10 (default channel for drums in TTS/midi) and the process is very simple. 

    If that works then it should be easy to do the same with CSC. 

    If neither works then we will need to dig in deeper to check setting and such stuff. 

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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 9:25 AM (permalink)
    Yeah, if you can't get any softsynth to work then you need to back up and do that before trying to import a midi file from somewhere else.  did you work thru the tutorials included with MC?  there's also some videos on it and there is great information on how to make softsynths work. 

    when you click on a drum piece in SI drums, does it make sound?

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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 9:45 AM (permalink)
    jim, 

    can you get audio files and tracks to play in MC? 

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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 12:14 AM (permalink)
    I can get audio I've recorded with real instruments to play fine, and there was one point where I believe I had SI drums playing my MIDI file, but I think it was mapped wrong so it didn't sound right. When I click the drums in SI drums they make sound fine too.

    I feel like I'm making this more difficult than it is haha.
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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 12:36 AM (permalink)
    Guitarhacker, when I follow your "How to enter a drum track in MC4/5" I definitely get something to play the notes I wrote out, but it's also definitely not playing all the notes, and it sounds like a piano instead of a drum kit.
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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 12:43 AM (permalink)
    Alright playing around with it a little more I set what I think is the output to channel 10 and now its playing percussion sounds. After that I imported the MIDI track I've been trying to get to play and the TTS is now playing the drums. The only problem now is that while I definitely recognize it as playing the "right" notes, It's not playing all of the notes, maybe half of them, the levels look like they go up every time a note should be played, but I don't always hear something. 
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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 3:02 PM (permalink)
    Drum mapping is usually not needed... just set the channels and you're good to go. 

    You still have missing notes? What sound card are you using again please?  Also did you increase the buffer size? 

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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 3:32 PM (permalink)
    So I accidentally clicked the freeze button in the MIDI track and it mixed the audio down to the audio track and now it works perfectly. lol I guess it really was easier than I thought, I wouldn't have gotten this without your help though, thanks guys.
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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 27, 11 4:08 PM (permalink)
    Bounce to Audio is the one I use when I finish with the midi track.

    I use freeze to test it and reduce the processor load because freeze shuts the synth off while the track is frozen. 

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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 28, 11 2:13 AM (permalink)
    How do you bounce it to audio?
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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 28, 11 8:16 AM (permalink)
    highlight both the MIDI and the output track associated with the MIDI and then choose TRACKS>BOUNCE TO TRACKS


    NOTE:  this is only for MC6/X1 for MC5 and below, it's EDIT>BOUNCE TO TRACKS 
    just in case MC5 and below users are reading this.

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    Re:SI-Drum/MIDI problem in MC6 December 28, 11 8:18 AM (permalink)
    select the track by clicking it until all the clips are selected....(midi track) I hold control while clicking to include the audio track with the synth output. 

    then choose BOUNCE TO TRACK from the menu in (I believe it's the) edit... but in MC6 & X1 its from the horizontal menu tabs.... Tracks... Bounce to Track> and then choose the options.... I use What you hear. That bounces the FX as well from an audio track.

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