g_randybrown


Just out of curiosity I went to Studio One's website and started watching the tutorial named "MIDI arrangement with S1 instruments".....it sounded horrible to say the least (cheesy sounding and no dynamics at all)...I don't get it, why would anyone consider Studio One as an alternative to X1?

I would be willing to bet that if you spent as much time working in Studio One (or any DAW for that matter) as you have in Sonar, you probably would have a different opinion at some point in time.


So much of this "my DAW is better than yours" banter seems pretty silly to me, frankly.  We have such incredible options at our disposal these days, as musicians, that it makes me scratch my head when people become almost partisan about their choice.


As Scott points out - options are good.


I also agree there are some features in S1 that seem more intuitive than Sonar with respect to MIDI.   But for me there is just no ONE perfect DAW, and it's why I do like having and using a few.

There are definitely features in Sonar that out-do S1 and visa versa.  But I guess in the online forums world controversy and drama fare better lol.

This is best - forget the DAws - I was lucky enough to be able to do recording and mixdown work here before Boputhatswana was re-integrated into South Africa in 1994.  The place got closed, looted and was thought to be unworkable.  It got restored, and is once again an amazing place.  I would love to go there again.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bop-Recording-Studio/168430138917?sk=photos


Cheers

Grif

BTW - Happy with X1.  I do use Studio One to mix down live recordings I get using a StudioLive 16:4:2, mainly because of the easy integration of Studio One and Capture.  But for recording / creating I stay with Sonar.

 On a side note - Can I import a bunch of wav files together?

Sorry about that BaMidi- I unwittingly implied I was wise and you were not. And Anderton wouldn't be wise according to my statement either. 

You see, I don't consider myself a spokesman for others, so when I say something I mean "for me", not "for us" unless I explicity state so.

The problem with that Scott is whatever I say you say "Oh, I don't use that" but anyway there are hundreds- decent VST instruments, X Ray view matrix etc etc. RTFM

g_randybrown


Just out of curiosity I went to Studio One's website and started watching the tutorial named "MIDI arrangement with S1 instruments".....it sounded horrible to say the least (cheesy sounding and no dynamics at all)...I don't get it, why would anyone consider Studio One as an alternative to X1?

I don't think S1's virtual instruments are particularly good, which is an area Sonar is definitely strong in. However there is a certain irrelevance to that if you mainly use 3rd party instruments.
 
But to answer your question, I switched to S1 from Sonar because the programme works as it should.  By that I mean it doesn't crash and the features they advertise work exactly as they advertise.  I like Sonar but I used to spend about 25% of my time dealling with problem after problem. With S1 I can just get on with creating music in a fast and enjoyable way.
 
However this is of course just my personal experience and I appreciate others position. Though I don't really get this brand loyalty that people get so obsessed by. Even to the point that people come on here raging about Sonar but still continue using it, it makes no sense to me. Just try a few different products, you might be pleasantly surprised.  If not you will at least have seen what else is out there.  

g_randybrown



Okay that makes sense to me as I've had issues with X1 too...will DimPro, SD3, Real Guitar, EWQL and GPO work in S1?
Thanks very much, 

Yep they do.
I agree the S1 version 2 sounds are not up to the Sonar stuff, but there is still plenty to use.
Omnisphere, Stylus and Kontakt 5 - all work with no hitch.
The VST3 plugs sound good.
Down side, [for me] No Notation/Score page edit.
It just means i have started to work in another way, more in the PRV.
I keep reading a lot of guff about what you can't do in S1 [mostly not on this forum]
But you will amazed at what you can do, with ease.
And of course Gapless.


But at the end of the day, use what you want to use.
No one really gives a whatever.




Garry

backwoods


Sorry about that BaMidi- I unwittingly implied I was wise and you were not. And Anderton wouldn't be wise according to my statement either. 

You see, I don't consider myself a spokesman for others, so when I say something I mean "for me", not "for us" unless I explicity state so.

Heh, well, I understood that and was just having a little fun with ya.


I only speak for me as well, so I got that.

Studio one is not years behind anything. These statements are still made by people who don't understand or use the software deeply. In fact it does have aim assist and screensets would you believe.

In terms of sounds there is a total of nearly 20 gig of content so before you criticise the sounds you need to download and listen to all of it. There are only 4 main instruments and all of them are very good and up to a high standard. I think they go by the concept that you are going to use other instruments as many of us do. I was not using anymore than 4 Sonar synths at a time when I was using it regularly. You don't want to put all your eggs in one basket and use all the synths from one DAW anyway.

Any demos one may hear that sound bad are only a result of the music being bad, the choice of sounds and productions being bad. It should not happen but it does. A demo for anything should be done to its best in order to show things off in a good light. Presence sounds incredible and magnificent and as good as any virtual instrument I have ever heard. Most of the Sonar instruments do come up inside S1 making it only more powerful.

People miss the point about Studio One. It is not trying to compete on features with other DAW's at all. It has been built from the ground up and started out as a solid frame. They are putting things inside the house so to speak slowly and rather carefully. As others have said here, everything that is there works very solidly. The size of the core program is only 50 Meg (at the moment) and I see that the Sonar download is over 600 Meg. Is Studio One 12 times inferior to Sonar? I don't think so. They have a pretty powerful program right now for a core size of only 50 meg wouldn't you say.

If you want deep and complex features there are options like Pro Tools for example which is the reason I chimed in the first place. After doing two Avid courses I have found out what it can do and it is pretty incredible. It is stablity that I am really after not features. Studio One is very stable and would never let me down in front of a client or anytime. It has basically never crashed on me once in over a year now. Tools looks and feels good on a 12 core Mac too and I don't see it crashing either but I have not lived with it for a long time so I cannot really say. I think it has got a pretty good rep in that area though. I say stop comparing programs on features and how they sound. They have all got tons of features and sound great. Start comparing on stability and it is interesting to see who the leaders are in that area.

Jeff Evans


Studio one is not years behind anything. These statements are still made by people who don't understand or use the software deeply. In fact it does have aim assist and screensets would you believe.

In terms of sounds there is a total of nearly 20 gig of content so before you criticise the sounds you need to download and listen to all of it. There are only 4 main instruments and all of them are very good and up to a high standard. I think they go by the concept that you are going to use other instruments as many of us do. I was not using anymore than 4 Sonar synths at a time when I was using it regularly. You don't want to put all your eggs in one basket and use all the synths from one DAW anyway.

Any demos one may hear that sound bad are only a result of the music being bad, the choice of sounds and productions being bad. It should not happen but it does. A demo for anything should be done to its best in order to show things off in a good light. Presence sounds incredible and magnificent and as good as any virtual instrument I have ever heard. Most of the Sonar instruments do come up inside S1 making it only more powerful.

People miss the point about Studio One. It is not trying to compete on features with other DAW's at all. It has been built from the ground up and started out as a solid frame. They are putting things inside the house so to speak slowly and rather carefully. As others have said here, everything that is there works very solidly. The size of the core program is only 50 Meg (at the moment) and I see that the Sonar download is over 600 Meg. Is Studio One 12 times inferior to Sonar? I don't think so. They have a pretty powerful program right now for a core size of only 50 meg wouldn't you say.

If you want deep and complex features there are options like Pro Tools for example which is the reason I chimed in the first place. After doing two Avid courses I have found out what it can do and it is pretty incredible. It is stablity that I am really after not features. Studio One is very stable and would never let me down in front of a client or anytime. It has basically never crashed on me once in over a year now. Tools looks and feels good on a 12 core Mac too and I don't see it crashing either but I have not lived with it for a long time so I cannot really say. I think it has got a pretty good rep in that area though. I say stop comparing programs on features and how they sound. They have all got tons of features and sound great. Start comparing on stability and it is interesting to see who the leaders are in that area.

Jeff,


Talking about "core program size" as a metric of quality is a bit silly isn't it? FWIW: SONAR's "core" is about 111mb.

Workflow - Workflow - Workflow = DAW

I don't play the piano any better because I use Sonar.
I don't play the drums any better because I use Sonar.

However,  I can record more effeciently because of the Workflow of Sonar - Better than any other DAW my studio uses. 

Hi g_randybrown  Well the book to read is 'The Power of Your Subconscious Mind' by Dr Joseph Murphy. I did make that saying up but it is only a result of reading that book. That book will change your life!

In the book are prayers that you can say to yourself as you fall asleep and when you first wake. Also at the end of every chapter is a summary of all the points in that chapter.

I have recorded me narrating all the prayers with beautiful ambient music underneath and I have also recorded all the summaries too. The prayers can only be done just as you are falling asleep and when you wake. But the summaries can be listened to anytime. Both combined are very powerful and amazing.

If you buy and read the book I will send you a copy of the prayers and summaries. If you are going to pray, the best thing to pray to is your subconscious mind from your conscious mind.

Zo


Freddie you can label near audiosuite features : the ability to open several plugins gui at the same time ......lol !!!

i mean lloollllll

What i really like : track list view and clips view now .....
they way it's opitimized space for sends and plugins ...sonar sends are just not right  !! for real ...

Yes
 
To round up the biggest new killing features in Pro Tools 10 are:
 
* The possibility to have more than one GUI of plugin open in the same time...Both the EQ and the Compressor "open" in the same time" on the screeen. (Note--->not by default.. You still need to press a button on every single GUI to make that happen)   LOL.. I mean come on...
* The possibility to add Clip gain.
* One feature that so many Pro Tools users have asked for in years; Record in 32bit floating...  
 
I do understand that all Pro Tools user think these new features are killing features for their beloved Pro Tools platform. No doubt they all are very important essentials features. In Pro Tools World, these new basic features are new to them but for rest of us on other platform we consider this very basic "lowtech"-features, that has been around for over 10 years time.
 
 
To Quote an AVID spokesmen " a lot of high-end stuff going on in the background to make these new technologies work in Pro Tools 10"
 
If they consider that as highend, that should say it all.
 

Thanks Jeff, I just PMed you

Maybe you need to pray to your subconcious to make _____ work!