Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch

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2012/01/06 10:55:47 (permalink)

Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch

I might seem like a troll with this post, but I have to share with any of those here that might be thinking about purchaing this hardware. There is what I would call a major glitch in the function of the unit as a digital recorder, that CW customer service said cannot be fixed unless Roland in Japan fixes it--and after over a year and follow ups--Roland will not fix it.
 
Here is the glitch: If you're like me and need to start the recording of additional tracks over one that has been laid already from a marker you created--tough luck. The unit will only start an overdub recording at zero--completely ignoring your marker. If the song is say, 5 minutes long and you want to add a track at say, the 4 minute mark--too bad. The recording will go all the way back to 0:00 and there is nothing you can do about it.
 
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then you probably won't have this issue and you're lucky. For me, it rendered the unit useless and I had to sell it on eBay for over $100 less than what I paid for it. I love Sonar--I've been a customer of CW for many years (back to v 3.1), but Roland not willing to fix this major glitch is unacceptable.
 
Again, if you're thinking of buying this unit--you need to know this.
 
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    M@ B
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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/06 11:24:42 (permalink)
    hey razor, i don't see this post as trolling at all, sorry to hear you had major deal breaking issues. i had that recently with some tc helicon gear, luckily i was still within the return period.----------------------------------- just so that i can understand the problem better, are you referring to an overdub in stand alone mode? (track 1 panned hard left, track 2 panned hard right, starting at a point other than the beginning of track1?)

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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/06 11:57:11 (permalink)
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    hey razor, i don't see this post as trolling at all, sorry to hear you had major deal breaking issues. i had that recently with some tc helicon gear, luckily i was still within the return period.----------------------------------- just so that i can understand the problem better, are you referring to an overdub in stand alone mode? (track 1 panned hard left, track 2 panned hard right, starting at a point other than the beginning of track1?)

    Thanks. I bought the gear from a dealer with a zero return policy--especially on special orders, which this was...
     
    Yes, stand-alone mode. I would have the instrumentals on say tracks 1 and 2 and want to record vocals on say track 3. Say I wanted to record the vocal of the chorus which was 2 minutes into the recording--so I would create a marker at the 2 minute mark so I could get there quickly in case I needed to do more than one take of the track (which always happens with me). I would go to the marker that I created and as soon as I started recording, I would see it starting at 0:00, not the marker I created at 2 minutes.
     
    I used the above times as examples--but it would happen no matter where I wanted to start (other than zero) and CW techs confirmed the glitch, and after I didn't hear and followed up, I was given the information that CW could do nothing about it. It had to be fixed by Roland in Japan and until they saw it as a major glitch they would not fix it. I waited for over a year and then took the loss and sold the unit.
     
    Hope this info helps someone. I won't be buying any hardware from CW in the future. I'll stick to something they can patch if necessary.

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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/06 16:01:06 (permalink)
    I don't think I'm following you. How do you record 3 tracks on the sd card in stand-alone mode?

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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/06 18:38:55 (permalink)
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    I don't think I'm following you. How do you record 3 tracks on the sd card in stand-alone mode?

    That's right. I was trying to record vocals in mono over a stereo recording of instrumentals. Here's the specs:
     
    Wave Recorder Channels Record: 1 Channel Stereo Playback: 1 Channel Stereo (NORMAL MODE) Playback: 2 Channel Stereo (REC-ON-PLAY MODE)  
    Hey--what do you want--it's been a year and I only (tried to) use the unit 3 times!

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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/06 18:56:51 (permalink)
    Oh, ok. I didnt realize you were dubbing over a stereo file. I understand now. I can see that as being a lot of wasted time if you happen to be working on a section that's late in the song and you have to wait through everything before the cue point. Never knew about that, the only stand alone dubs I have ever done were song length guitar takes. Thanks for pointing that out. I won't hold my breath til they fix that. Rock-on.

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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/08 06:08:36 (permalink)
    Hi,
    I think this post should be directed to the VS100 product manager.  I would be interested in the VS100 product manager response to this post.
     
    I work as a software engineer.  When a user has a product issue we distinguish between a bug and an enhancement.  But basically the distinction boils down to what was the unit designed to do?  What was the spectification given to the engineers?
     
    It appears to me that the overdub spec was to assume that the user will always start from the beginning of the track i.e. that the user will never use markers.  So it is likely that this behavior is not a "bug". 
     
    However I think Roland are being given some great feedback on the VS100 in this post.  Also in my opinion this enhancement could be handled through a firmware update - anotherwards without any hardware changes.
     
    So how about a response from the VS100 product mangement team?  Would you consider this enhancement.  I agree with the user - it would make the VS100 much more useful as a recorder.
     
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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/08 09:10:12 (permalink)
    Razor: Can't say you are trolling since this is a valid complaint.

    I remember your older post regarding this:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2074598 

    I read that in detail before buying mine - and carefully weighed the risks. Fortunately I don't use the VS-100 in a way that it affects me, but I can understand how this could be a big problem for you.

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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/08 09:50:27 (permalink)
    you lost 100$ by buying VS100???? man I lost 2 millions when stock market collapsed and don't complain...
    You lost because you sold, you should never sell on bear market.
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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/01/16 10:56:51 (permalink)
    I think it's important to note that I did contact product support, they had the CW engineers test my complaint and they were able to recreate the issue. I don't have the email with me now, but it was referred to as a problem, weakness, or bug--not a design enhancement request. It also was told to me that Roland in Japan would have to make the patch and then only if they agreed it was worth it (my words).

    After about a year, I think it's safe to presume Japan didn't think it was worth patching and I gave up. The V-Studio was new to the market when I bought it--I did a lot of pre-sale research before I bought it by contacting CW support. I'm satisfied with the due diligence I did before buying it to make sure it would suit my needs, but there is no way I could have known about this bug considering CW engineers didn't even know about it before then.

    Lesson learned--and now if I can help others, that's the purpose of this post. 
     
    PS--One lessoned learned is spend a little extra with a retailer that allows returns and stocks the item(s).
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    NO REGISTATION 2012/02/21 16:45:46 (permalink)
    Warning.What ever you do dont buy a used sonar v 100 studio without a serial number!
    I purchased a used sonar V 100 studio only to find out that because i didnt have a serial number i could not register it which made it useless because i could not install the driver that i down loaded.The unit itself had a serial number on it but that didnt mean any thing
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    Re:NO REGISTATION 2012/02/21 21:51:32 (permalink)
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    Warning.What ever you do dont buy a used sonar v 100 studio without a serial number!
    I purchased a used sonar V 100 studio only to find out that because i didnt have a serial number i could not register it which made it useless because i could not install the driver that i down loaded.The unit itself had a serial number on it but that didnt mean any thing
     
    Interesting. Is it possible for the seller to contact CW and tell them they are selling the unit and want to transfer the license to you?


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    Re:NO REGISTATION 2012/02/22 07:52:06 (permalink)
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    Warning.What ever you do dont buy a used sonar v 100 studio without a serial number!
    I purchased a used sonar V 100 studio only to find out that because i didnt have a serial number i could not register it which made it useless because i could not install the driver that i down loaded.The unit itself had a serial number on it but that didnt mean any thing

    I'm not sure I follow? In regards to Hardware the VS-100 will work just fine without a serial (although I question why it would be removed).
     
    The serial number is not required to install the driver, and you don't even need the serial number to install the Firmware update. Furthermore, the driver and Firmware can be downloaded without a serial number.
    http://www.cakewalk.com/download/hwdrivers.aspx?Prod=V-Studio+100
     
    If you are talking about the Sonar VS Software, then I would not worry about that. It's a really dumbed down version of Sonar  8 and is very outdated. You would be better off buying a version of Sonar X1, even essentials.
     
     

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    Re:Lost $100+ On Buying V-Studio From Glitch 2012/06/09 12:28:59 (permalink)
    Just going through my emails and found this from CW support. It's dated 6/7/2010 -- never addressed. Not even an offer to 'make it right' like giving me a coupon on my next purhase --nada.

    Hi Stephen,
     
    Thank you for contacting Cakewalk Technical Support.
     
    Unfortunately it appears that when overdubbing the previously recorded track will always begin playing from the beginning. I am able to reproduce this same behavior in-house with VS-100 units running the latest firmware.
     
    Ultimately, the hardware should not ignore your marker selection when overdubbing and it looks as if this one slipped through the cracks. I have logged this issue with our development team for them to look into further in regards to updating this behavior in future updates for the VS-100 hardware.
     
    I used your information (name, email address, serial number) so that you can track the status of this report. You can do this at http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/ProblemReporter/Default.aspx
     
    Your reference number in regards to this issue is CWBRN-2955
     
    I apologize for any inconvenience and assure you that this issue will be looked into more thoroughly by our development team. If I am made aware of any additional information/workarounds, I will be sure to update the status of your report.
     
    Note: please do NOT reply to this email directly as it will not reach Technical Support nor yield a response. For reply emails to be submitted to Cakewalk Technical Support, you must fill out the E-Mail Support form found on our website here: http://www.cakewalk.com/support/email/
     
    Best,
     
    Ryan Munnis
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