New Sony Phones

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2012/01/07 14:04:12 (permalink)

New Sony Phones

Hi,
Just got my new Sony MDR-7506 phones, and what a difference compared to my old set of Sennheisers, I thought I
may need a headphone amp, but not with these, only slight problem, hope someone can help, it sounds pretty good through
my phones, I then listen through my monitors (Edirol MA-7A) and it lacks the punch that's in my phones, should I just go with
what I'm hearing through my phones, after all most people listen through an i-pod or an mp3 player these days anyway ?
 
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    Sidroe
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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 14:40:50 (permalink)
    Don't expect anything mixed and mastered to be consistent with all speaker configs much less different phones. I think you answered your own question when you said how much better it sounded on the Sony phones versus the Sennhiesers. Take also into account the difference in the sound being heard in earbuds. If you are just doing tracks for your entertainment and your friends, it may be enough. If you have aspirations of producing and selling your music, I can't think of one person who mixes and masters finished pro quality recordings just on phones. Even pro mixers and masterers use many different speaker combinations to test their mixes on. This is not meant to be judgemental towards you at all. It is just an opinion that I think you will find is a sound one. Good Luck and enjoy!

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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 14:51:06 (permalink)
    Sidroe


    Don't expect anything mixed and mastered to be consistent with all speaker configs much less different phones. I think you answered your own question when you said how much better it sounded on the Sony phones versus the Sennhiesers. Take also into account the difference in the sound being heard in earbuds. If you are just doing tracks for your entertainment and your friends, it may be enough. If you have aspirations of producing and selling your music, I can't think of one person who mixes and masters finished pro quality recordings just on phones. Even pro mixers and masterers use many different speaker combinations to test their mixes on. This is not meant to be judgemental towards you at all. It is just an opinion that I think you will find is a sound one. Good Luck and enjoy!

             Hi Sidroe
             I'll take what you say onboard, and in no way did I think you were being judgemental !! Thanks for your advice,
             I know what you said about not being able to master on phones, but I think I've been used to the cheap set of phones,
             and now I have a decent set, the difference is night and day, and at least now I can sit down and mix at a decent level.
     
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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 14:54:34 (permalink)
    Phones are an important element in my mixing, although of course I do not rely on them as the only or final measure. My Bose phones are surprisingly close to my KRK monitors (at least perceptionally). To the OP's point, it would be nuts not to reference phones and earbuds since this is how 90% of your audience will hear your music (unless it is all dance-club oriented).
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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 15:29:33 (permalink)
    Phones are ABSOLUTELY integral to the process. And thumbs up on referencing on earbuds as well. They have become the standard in everyday listening. Just a quick comment on dance-club oriented music. BEWARE the sub kick! What I call the trunk drum. You hear it in all the Drum & Bass music. It can completely disappear on some headphones and monitiors. It sounds great in the studio. Get it home and put it on a bookshelf stereo system and it vanishes.

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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 15:30:10 (permalink)
    I would not use headphones to mix-

    I would use even entry level studio monitors over phones, and compare your mix/master to a commercial track that is on the market that you truly appreciate the sound of.

    Phones can be great to check some things on like panning, but music is so much easier to get sounding good in headphones - I speak from years of experience discovering this.

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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 15:58:11 (permalink)
    I use headphones a lot, but I find it nearly impossible to make the right decisions down in the range of the Kick and Bass area with phones.  I've got to listen through speakers to make those kinds of decisions.  Other relative instrument volumes and EQ's also can be deceiving with headphones.
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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 16:04:30 (permalink)
    I have a Sony 7506 and it's a nice headphone.  But, I don't mix with headphones.  My primary mix is my studio monitors and then tweak as needed so it sounds on a Sony boombox and in a car stereo.

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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 17:09:19 (permalink)
    You know how you check mixes both loud and quiet because of the perceived difference in mid-range power and then find a compromise mix? That is how I see the role of phones. You have to find a balance that sounds right on speakers and phones. By the way, before publishing, I always take my mixes to a gentleman's club and ask them to play them there. I have no idea if it helps, but it is more fun that sitting at a console.
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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 18:14:18 (permalink)

     And you ppls wonder why  i tell Ya MDR 7509's !!
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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 19:20:06 (permalink)

    Gentleman's club - perfect place! The girls LOVE new music!


    Lance

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    You know how you check mixes both loud and quiet because of the perceived difference in mid-range power and then find a compromise mix? That is how I see the role of phones. You have to find a balance that sounds right on speakers and phones. By the way, before publishing, I always take my mixes to a gentleman's club and ask them to play them there. I have no idea if it helps, but it is more fun that sitting at a console.



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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/07 19:47:55 (permalink)

    I have been in mixing and mastering sessions with some real big dogs out here in L.A., and this is how they do it. Of course, a good mixing environment, aka a well treated room and decent monitors is key-


    Lance


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    I have a Sony 7506 and it's a nice headphone.  But, I don't mix with headphones.  My primary mix is my studio monitors and then tweak as needed so it sounds on a Sony boombox and in a car stereo.



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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/08 07:52:44 (permalink)
    I've had to do without my subwoofer here for a little while due to a move, so I've ben using just my nearfields only which go to 55 Hz and checking sub bass on headphones.  Surprisingly for me, my mixes are traveling alot better now in regard to the bass.

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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/08 09:05:23 (permalink)
    That's why you do not use cans to mix. Most are designed to make the music sound better..... more bass, more kick..... in other words they have built in coloration added. Some even advertise that as a selling point to the consumers.  BIG BASS SOUND.... just like your favorite artist....yadda yadda..... 

    However, we should not be seeking the coloration ...especially at the tracking and mixing stages. Mixing should be done on a "truthful" system. Many times I have heard people make comments that studio monitors just don't "sound as good" as they would like them too. 

    That's the point. If you can get the mix sounding good on studio flat response monitors, they should translate well to MOST other systems that the listening public will be using.... including headphones from various manufacturers with built in coloration...same goes for home and car stereo speaker systems. 

    I use headphones in my studio all the time. BUT.... I use them to check a mix after I'm getting near the end of the process. I find if I wear them for more than a few seconds to a minute to check something,  they will throw my perception off, and I need to hit pause and go do something else for a few minutes before resuming the mixing process. 

    In a pinch, I will mix with headphones if it is impossible to have the monitors on..... but in this case, I will always check the mix next day with monitors. It helps to "learn the cans" if you plan to ever mix with them. Any mix done with cans almost always needs tweeks  on the monitors. 

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    Re:New Sony Phones 2012/01/08 18:22:06 (permalink)
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    I would not use headphones to mix-

    I would use even entry level studio monitors over phones...
    My speakers qualify as entry level.  I find that mixes done on the headphones invariably sound better.

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