MGB5
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Audio track won't pan
Hello All,
This is one of those problems that isn't a problem on all the other songs I've been recording lately.
I recorded vocals using MOTU micro book which is a mono signal in. To hear the vocals in both speakers I uncheck the interleave (bowtie thing) in the audio track strip. Normally I can then pan left and right. It works in all other cases but on this one particular project it doesn't. I even tried turning off the delay and reverb busses to see if they were having an effect and listend just to the dry vocals. Still no panning effect. I check other projects and can't seem to see any settings that are different. For the needs of this project it really isn't important (It's just a vocal track for choir members to learn their individual parts) but it really bothers me that what has always works suddenly doesn't.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 08:47:41
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If you had to uncheck the interleave then the implication is that you recorded it in stereo and have only picked up one half of the stereo signal.
When you insert a track for Sonar to record on, and it's a mono source, you must select the correct input options on the channel (Channel 1 - Left for example). This action will automatically select the correct interleave.
Try doing a bounce to track and select tracks as your source and a new mono track as your destination.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 09:11:55
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In my DAW.... and all the cake platforms I use....
When I set up an audio track for recording, it always defaults to STEREO. I normally have my guitar and vocal mic in the audio input for the left side.
If I let it roll like that I end up with the exact scenario you are describing. Sound on one side only.
I must go into the track input selection and choose the LEFT side. This selection ensures the track is looking at the left input only and it then places the audio in the "center" of the track. I am able to pan it right or left. It's still only mono, but that is OK.... because it is pannable to the right or left by any degree.
It matters not if you use the right or the left input. Either will get you mono source "centered" in the track and it will be pannable.
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MGB5
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 10:44:40
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Hi, what you both have said makes sense but what confuses me is why it is only on this track that I can't pan on this project but the other seemingly identical projects it works. Very odd.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 10:53:02
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What you are describing can be easily explained like this:
You have your vocal track routed to a mono bus.
YOur vocal track could be mono or stereo, it doesn't matter. You have its' output feeding a mono bus. This makes it so that no matter how you pan your vocal track, it will remain dead-center because it is routed through a mono bus that is panned center.
Hold down your ALT key, then select your vocal track, then let go. Then look at your busses to see which one is highlighted. I bet that you will find it is a mono bus.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 13:21:00
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I thought all busses in Sonar were stereo?
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 13:29:21
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Just bounce the stereo vocal track to a mono track and it will pan.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 14:43:08
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Bristol_Jonesey
I thought all busses in Sonar were stereo?
No, you can change them to mono just like tracks. This is very useful. I use mono busses a lot. For example, return your Sonitus delay in mono and pan it to taste. Or return a reverb in mono. Or for a group of backing vocals, use a send to a mono bus, use different EQ settings, pan to one side and return it to mix with the group of tracks that are panned differently.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 14:46:03
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No, you can change them to mono just like tracks. This is very useful. I use mono busses a lot. For example, return your Sonitus delay in mono and pan it to taste. Or return a reverb in mono. Or for a group of backing vocals, use a send to a mono bus, use different EQ settings, pan to one side and return it to mix with the group of tracks that are panned differently. For whatever reason I *never* think of setting busses to mono. Nice one!
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 14:46:49
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daveny5
Just bounce the stereo vocal track to a mono track and it will pan.
This is not the OP's issue at all. And even if it were, bouncing a stereo vocal to mono just to pan would not be a good solution. You could use Channel tools or something instead. Anyway, the reason he is not hearing the results of panning, is because his track is feeding a bus that is set to mono. He could pan the mono bus, or he could change the bus back to stereo. Either way, that will fix the problem. OP, can you confirm? Thanks, -Charles
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 14:54:28
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No, you can change them to mono just like tracks. This is very useful. I use mono busses a lot. For example, return your Sonitus delay in mono and pan it to taste. Or return a reverb in mono. Or for a group of backing vocals, use a send to a mono bus, use different EQ settings, pan to one side and return it to mix with the group of tracks that are panned differently.
For whatever reason I *never* think of setting busses to mono. Nice one!
Cool, I am glad to have opened a new creative door for someone. Experiment with mono busses from time to time. It is great indeed. In fact it is a good way (and a lot of fun) to learn about phase relationships and how they are affected by your EQ's Try this: Take a mono track Pan it hard left Take a send from that track into a mono bus panned hard right On the mono bus, engage your high pass filter and start sweeping it to the right. Listen to the effect it has. Try notching something out also. Then compensate the change in volume with your fader and see what you get. Ok, I am a total audio mixing nerd...ha ha ha
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 15:40:32
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Experiment with mono busses from time to time. It is great indeed. That I will do...
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 17:09:29
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Sylvan
What you are describing can be easily explained like this:
You have your vocal track routed to a mono bus.
YOur vocal track could be mono or stereo, it doesn't matter. You have its' output feeding a mono bus. This makes it so that no matter how you pan your vocal track, it will remain dead-center because it is routed through a mono bus that is panned center.
Hold down your ALT key, then select your vocal track, then let go. Then look at your busses to see which one is highlighted. I bet that you will find it is a mono bus.
Hi Sylvan, I tried what you said. Held down alt, selected the track (I hit the number button) and then let go. No bus seemed to be selected even though the track's send is going to the delay bus. I have tried mono and stereo (I assume you do this with the interleave (bowtie thing?) Still no luck. I've looked at other projects and just can't see what the differences are that would cause this project to act differently from others. Michael
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 17:15:07
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Although the delay bus seems to be set to stero (bowtie is lit up) It still won't pan but when I inserted a brand new stereo bus it pans fine. Could the file or bus be corrupted somehow?
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 18:16:15
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Yes.
This has been known to happen on many peoples systems.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 20:39:32
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This is not the OP's issue at all. And even if it were, bouncing a stereo vocal to mono just to pan would not be a good solution. You could use Channel tools or something instead. Sounds like a complex solution to a simple problem.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 20:51:03
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Do Although the delay bus seems to be set to stero (bowtie is lit up) It still won't pan but when I inserted a brand new stereo bus it pans fine. Could the file or bus be corrupted somehow? Do you have the same FX (and presets) inserted on the new stereo bus as the existing one that isn't panning correctly?
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/20 22:40:40
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Do
Although the delay bus seems to be set to stero (bowtie is lit up) It still won't pan but when I inserted a brand new stereo bus it pans fine. Could the file or bus be corrupted somehow?
Do you have the same FX (and presets) inserted on the new stereo bus as the existing one that isn't panning correctly?
I assume I do. I added the new bus and dragged the delay settings across from the one that was not working. I then tested athe new one and deleted the old one. seems to work fine now.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/21 03:07:32
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Don't forget also to make sure the new track/buss has got the same I/O and send routings as the old one
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2012/01/23 11:09:05
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Hi MGB5, Sorry I was out for the weekend - working the whole time at a crappy studio for people who I would rather not work for...but that is another story ha ha ha. Anyway, I created an ftp account for you so that can upload your project there and I can check it out. You caught my attention on this and I want to learn what went wrong. If you please copy your whole SONAR project to the ftp server, I will give it a go. I sent your username and password info in a private message to your username here on the forum. Use filezilla as an ftp client if you can, it seems the easiest and most straight forward. Let me know if you have any problems with that. I created a video a long time ago that shows how to use filezilla and copy folders/files back and forth on my ftp server. You can view it at www.battlefrost.com/ftp When you get to that link, in the upper left corner, click on the link to watch the video (if you need to). If you are already familiar with ftp clients, you don't need to see the video. Take care, -Charles
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2013/12/06 16:03:07
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Bristol_Jonesey
I thought all busses in Sonar were stereo?
No, you can change them to mono just like tracks. This is very useful. I use mono busses a lot. For example, return your Sonitus delay in mono and pan it to taste. Or return a reverb in mono. Or for a group of backing vocals, use a send to a mono bus, use different EQ settings, pan to one side and return it to mix with the group of tracks that are panned differently.
A little late to the party, but this helped immensely. I was having the same problem, track would not pan not matter what I did. It was driving me nuts. Problem, as you called it, was it was routed to a mono bus. Like others, I always assumed that busses were stereo. Wouldn't have even thought to look there. Thanks!
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2015/07/31 23:45:24
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I've found that somehow tracks can get corrupted and will not let you "fix" these panned tracks. The easy fix is to create a new audio track and drop the clip into the new track. I tried editing using channel tools, sound forge etc. and found it's not the audio clip that's the issue, it's the track it's assigned to. Don't try cloning the track because it carries whatever bug causes this to the new track. Hope that helps someone.
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2018/03/06 20:44:25
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Offset mode Shortcutkey (O) may solve your problem by remove it from the shortcut key menu
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Re:Audio track won't pan
2018/03/08 16:30:29
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manto
Offset mode Shortcutkey (O) may solve your problem by remove it from the shortcut key menu
Old thread alert ! This is 3 years old.
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