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So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
Still debating whether to get the upgrade from my 3.5 Platinum. They now have 64 bit and claim to have fixed the sync to host issues. Anyone out there actively using this with Sonar X1c care to share opinions on how well it is working for you? If you have other drum packages do you find this one worth using instead?
Chatter on KVR is that it is a real memory pig. Is that true? I have a bunch of memory and with it running in 64 bits maybe that is not a huge issue. Not sure if it is going to pound my disk drives though.
Time is running out on the upgrade offer. I love the sound of the drums but don't want to fall into a debugging rathole.
Ken
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/22 08:21:27
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Memory isn't a problem for me but it needs fixes. -x64 but Sync still doesn't work properly - Mapping doesn't work properly -when reopening projects you don't know what kit was previously used (or grooves) - it needs a bus delete -it needs more grooves although OddGrooves & Groovemonkee are close to finishing theirs. + whatever i forgot... But it sounds great A typical Slate release. If you're familiar with the VCC saga you'll know what I mean!
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/22 10:09:33
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carl
Memory isn't a problem for me but it needs fixes.
-x64 but Sync still doesn't work properly
- Mapping doesn't work properly
-when reopening projects you don't know what kit was previously used
(or grooves)
- it needs a bus delete
-it needs more grooves although OddGrooves & Groovemonkee are close to finishing theirs.
+ whatever i forgot...
But it sounds great
A typical Slate release. If you're familiar with the VCC saga you'll know what I mean!
Are you happy you made the purchase? Do you feel like the problems will be fixed? If this was just a $50 upgrade I would have done it and hoped for the best but $149 is enough money to think about before just jumping in. I am not familiar with any of the VCC saga so I can't draw on any history there. Ken
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/22 12:46:24
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+1 to everything Carl said plus it takes MUCH longer to both save Slate Kits as presets AND to save your Sonar project which has an instance of Slate in it. Killer Diller drum sounds tho!
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/22 12:52:37
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carl
Memory isn't a problem for me but it needs fixes.
-x64 but Sync still doesn't work properly
- Mapping doesn't work properly
-when reopening projects you don't know what kit was previously used
(or grooves)
- it needs a bus delete
-it needs more grooves although OddGrooves & Groovemonkee are close to finishing theirs.
+ whatever i forgot...
But it sounds great
A typical Slate release. If you're familiar with the VCC saga you'll know what I mean!
Are you happy you made the purchase? Do you feel like the problems will be fixed? If this was just a $50 upgrade I would have done it and hoped for the best but $149 is enough money to think about before just jumping in. I am not familiar with any of the VCC saga so I can't draw on any history there.
Ken
Ken, I think the problems will be eventually fixed but it may take longer than one would like, hence the 'VCC saga' statement. I'm very happy with my purchase. Listen to the demos & ask more people though, it might not be want you're looking for but for me it's now my go-to.
post edited by carl - 2012/01/22 13:25:14
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/23 03:56:38
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Gotta agree with Yorolpal - sounds great right out of the box. Pretty easy to use too, actually. For what you get, I would say its pretty outstanding value.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/23 07:38:01
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Still it seems to me that the people that truly love it are drummers hooking it up to V-Drums or other such kits and people with problems are ones like me that just want to toss midi files at a virtual drummer. I am really on the fence about this. I am spending a lot of time digesting software I recently purchased and getting to know it well. I don't want to derail all that debugging a new piece of software. But damn....I really really like the way the kits sound and hate that Kontakt is my only option right now.
Torture....ughhhh!
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/25 21:46:06
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Still it seems to me that the people that truly love it are drummers hooking it up to V-Drums or other such kits and people with problems are ones like me that just want to toss midi files at a virtual drummer. I am really on the fence about this. I am spending a lot of time digesting software I recently purchased and getting to know it well. I don't want to derail all that debugging a new piece of software. But damn....I really really like the way the kits sound and hate that Kontakt is my only option right now.
Torture....ughhhh!
If I were you, I would buy it for the $149 price, but leave it alone for a couple of months except for some test driving. I suspect that it will go on sale again, but for that $149 crossgrade, it is definitely worth it. In a couple of months the bugs and issues should be fixed and and it will probably be stable. It looks to me like Steven is getting quite an ear full on Gearslutz. Now that he is back from NAMM he has promised to get it all fixed, especially the midi maps, groove troubles and syncing issues, which for me are all essential for dependable use. Go get it, fool around with, but don't rely on it until it is all working in a couple of months. You actually may actually find it stable enough to use now and then. The sounds are absolutely great! It has a great variety of rock, metal, vintage and county kits. It has a lot to offer in sound and variety for the money. With 100 kits you would be getting enough different types of drum kits to fit almost any occasion. That being said, the two Jazz kits are not to my taste. The Jazz bass drum is too big and booming, but hey, I guess I could just swap it out for another of the myriad included kick drums and find one that fits my sonic needs. Once you get it, you will know that it will eventually become something you will use--once it gets all debugged and stable. Cecelius2
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/25 23:15:35
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so...this puts Toontrack's Superior on the back burner?
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/26 11:40:55
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so...this puts Toontrack's Superior on the back burner?
Never. It should be in addition to, IMHO.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/31 17:46:31
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yorolpal
+1 to everything Carl said plus it takes MUCH longer to both save Slate Kits as presets AND to save your Sonar project which has an instance of Slate in it. Killer Diller drum sounds tho!
Has this improved with the 1.07 installed version?
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/31 17:47:46
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I know I know. I said I was going to pass but that damnable robot sent me an email letting me know today was the last to get it at *almost free*. 
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/31 19:58:53
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Nope, it's still slow to load and slow to save.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/01/31 21:12:28
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Since I have Platinum 3.5 I still have till the end of February to figure out if I am going to upgrade. Right now it seems that things are still not really baked enough to be worth the headaches. Hopefully they are getting close and my perception is that they are really trying hard to make things right.
Ken
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/02 01:16:56
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Some people are having issues (I'm not). For a 1.0 realese the samplere is pretty good but the sound and quality of the drums are the best I've heard. It really shines for me because it's the most musical. They bring the mix alive with almost no FX or tweaking. I'm a drum sound nut (drummer, percussion degree ...) and I usualy spend a lot of time on my drums but these, for me, are so close to what I'm looking for right off the bat that I'm astounded.
p.s. I'm selling Addictive Drums if anyone is interested.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/02 10:49:18
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I did not experience a long save time on a project where I used SSD4. Hmmmmmmmmmm. Why not?
FWIW, I'm using 1.06 installer.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/03 07:00:37
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Finally went ahead and bought the upgrade - just EX, not the full thing. I'll report when I'm done downloading and have a chance to try it. I'm hoping that the dedicated player will maybe convince me to use that library - working w/ the Kontakt player just wasn't for me.
That's one of the only negative things about being here on the other side of the planet - I'm doing night shifts on these forums while everyone's asleep, so I get so totally bored that I end up spending way too much time shopping for software and buying stuff I don't need.
Really, you guys shouldn't sleep so much.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/04 08:18:33
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SSD4 so far - sounds great, the player is an improvement over the Kontakt player but it has this unfinished beta version look and feel, and it managed to crash Logic w/in 5 minutes of usage browsing loops - something I could only accomplish 3 or 4 times in over a year, using the bug infested Mac versionPOD Farm.
I'd appreciate a way to make it a bit more compact. But the sound quality is right there.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/04 10:37:53
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Rain
Finally went ahead and bought the upgrade - just EX, not the full thing. I'll report when I'm done downloading and have a chance to try it. I'm hoping that the dedicated player will maybe convince me to use that library - working w/ the Kontakt player just wasn't for me.
I totally agree. Kontakt is very awkward for drums.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/04 12:14:07
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Rain
SSD4 so far - sounds great, the player is an improvement over the Kontakt player but it has this unfinished beta version look and feel, and it managed to crash Logic w/in 5 minutes of usage browsing loops - something I could only accomplish 3 or 4 times in over a year, using the bug infested Mac versionPOD Farm.
I'd appreciate a way to make it a bit more compact. But the sound quality is right there.
Thanks for the info. Have you tried it in Sonar at all yet? If so how do you like it? Does it crash Sonar? Do you use the grooves or make your own beats? How does all that work at this point? Hope all is well out there in chilly Moscow! Ken
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/04 12:18:55
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I've used it in SONAR 64bit.
Seems to work fine. No crashes yet. No problems (speedwise) with saves.
Got an email yesterday from Slate about the upcoming fixes and additions (for one; maps for all the popular drum players out there. YAY!). Once they are done the product should be a breeze to use. Not sure it will replace Superior for me but it's nice to have a large palette of drums to choose from.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/05 05:01:44
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Hi Ken,
Didn't try it in Sonar - my PC died when we dropped back home in October and that's the last glimpse of Sonar I've had.
I can only guess, but considering how it behaves on my MacBook Pro, compared to other plug-ins, I think it could benefit from a bit of optimization. I've tested it by itself, in a new/empty project, just SSD, no other plug-in. I've tried a few different kits and was auditioning some grooves (there's some pretty good ones in there) when it all froze for a few seconds and Logic just crashed.
That being said, it may be a totally different story on the PC. The aforementioned POD Farm which is the only other plug-in I've had trouble with seems to be working relatively fine on the PC, whereas the Line 6 forums are filled w/ reports of issues on the Mac side.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/12 11:19:55
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FWIW - I've just tried it again and it seems to be an issue w/ Logic. I get endless series of errors, CPU maxed out and and crashes.
Same midi part plays In Studio One runs flawless, CPU merely shows any activity.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/12 12:35:46
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I thought Netscape was the latest bestest. 
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/28 18:49:58
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Trying the new 1.083 beta & although a few issues are better like sync & drum kit name, I'm not having much luck with the 'keep mixer outputs'.
Going to try the mapping features next.
Still no delete buss either..
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/28 22:11:43
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carl
Trying the new 1.083 beta & although a few issues are better like sync & drum kit name, I'm not having much luck with the 'keep mixer outputs'.
Going to try the mapping features next.
Still no delete buss either..
Sorry for your troubles. Perhaps SSD have been so busy trying to fix the beta that it might explain their recent (complete) lack of replies to customer questions on the SSD forums.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/28 23:37:28
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Trying the new 1.083 beta & although a few issues are better like sync & drum kit name, I'm not having much luck with the 'keep mixer outputs'.
Going to try the mapping features next.
Still no delete buss either..
Carl: I have hesitated to ask on this forum, but I am not getting any response on the SSD or the Gearslutz forums so I will ask you (or others here) since you have the beta and are more experienced with SSD4 than I. Can you (or anyone here) explain how to use the Mic Preset Save and Load? I cannot get it to save anything. It will not allow me to type in the save box. Also, I can find no mic presets to load. What am I missing here? It has got to be something obvious and simple. Or are mic presets coming or is it a feature that has yet to be fully implemented? Sorry to ask here, but I get no replies over at SSD forum.
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Re:So what is the current view of Steven Slate Drums 4 in Sonar for anyone that has it?
2012/02/29 07:54:31
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carl
Trying the new 1.083 beta & although a few issues are better like sync & drum kit name, I'm not having much luck with the 'keep mixer outputs'.
Going to try the mapping features next.
Still no delete buss either..
Carl: I have hesitated to ask on this forum, but I am not getting any response on the SSD or the Gearslutz forums so I will ask you (or others here) since you have the beta and are more experienced with SSD4 than I. Can you (or anyone here) explain how to use the Mic Preset Save and Load? I cannot get it to save anything. It will not allow me to type in the save box. Also, I can find no mic presets to load. What am I missing here? It has got to be something obvious and simple. Or are mic presets coming or is it a feature that has yet to be fully implemented? Sorry to ask here, but I get no replies over at SSD forum.
I just briefly tried this. In both x64, x86 & both 1.07 & beta versions of SSD4 mic preset names cannot be entered or saved in X1. Didn't work using copy/ paste either. However it did work in Reaper & StudioOne. I was able to enter, save & open my user presets. This is similar to the problems with crashing & entering text in FG-X, VCC using Sonar X1. I left a ticket.
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