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[Solved] Recording Audio Output of Yamaha Keyboard - Disappointing, or I'm doing it wrong.
Hi folks, I've just got a new keyboard, a Yamaha PSR S650. It has its own speakers, 1 Stereo (I'm told) Output/Phones and USB. I wanted this keyboard to act as a way to trigger softsynths but also to record the actual sounds on the keyboard - they are very realistic, especially the guitars. I can get it to trigger softsynths via the USB, no problem. My problems: When I record the audio, the result is a MONO recording. (A single line of audio is drawn). Also, the quality of what is recorded is nowhere near the quality of what I hear when I'm playing the keyboard through its own speakers. Furthermore, it is very quiet, and any audio I record requires me to turn the gain knob to maximum just to get it somewhere near to the 'norm' I would expect from when I use softsynths. Where am I going wrong? Thanks, Dave
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Re: Recording Audio Output of Yamaha Keyboard - Disappointing, or I'm doing it wrong.
January 31, 14 7:32 PM
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Are you connecting this to your Audiophile with 1 chord?
It looks like you can connect a stereo 1/4 inch to two 1/4 inch from your keyboard to your inputs to your Audiophile. I don't know for sure but I'm guessing a single stereo chord won't work properly.
Does the keyboard act as a AI (audio interface) via USB?
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Re: Recording Audio Output of Yamaha Keyboard - Disappointing, or I'm doing it wrong.
January 31, 14 7:36 PM
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Are you actually routing to a stereo Sonar track?
So your Yamaha PSR S650, volume knob is at maximum volume...
But is it really at maximum volume? There's often a hidden parameter somewhere on the keyboard to boost the volume.
Finally try adjusting the M Audio Audiophile 192 pad controls, the other options should be tried first.
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January 31, 14 7:39 PM
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Hi Guitarpima - Thanks for your reply, no the keyboard doesn't act as an interface. I've just been reading around the subject and I'm wondering if I have the wrong audio cables?? (I didn't know there were different types - I'm not a guitarist  ). It looks like you can connect a stereo 1/4 inch to two 1/4 inch from your keyboard to your inputs to your Audiophile Could you explain this - At the moment I have an audio cable that has only 1 black ring on its point. It's going from the keyboard into the 'In Left' of my audiophile. I then select 'In Left' on the track. Do I need a different cable? An adapter? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
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January 31, 14 7:42 PM
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Are you actually routing to a stereo Sonar track?
How do you make a track mono or stereo?
So your Yamaha PSR S650, volume knob is at maximum volume...
But is it really at maximum volume? There's often a hidden parameter somewhere on the keyboard to boost the volume.
I think the keyboard naturally plays things at '100' and I could probably boost it to '127', but this won't make much difference.
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January 31, 14 7:48 PM
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Looks like you have just one output socket out the keyboard? So the output jack that needs to be plugged in is probably 1/4 inch stereo, and this will probably need to be split into two quarter inch mono jacks for your interface (left and right)... Double check this... Below is a picture of a stereo jack. Mono jack has one ring:  Of course the input volume will be controlled from your sound interface...
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Re: Recording Audio Output of Yamaha Keyboard - Disappointing, or I'm doing it wrong.
January 31, 14 8:13 PM
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Looks like you have just one output socket out the keyboard? So the output jack that needs to be plugged in is probably 1/4 inch stereo, and this will probably need to be split into two quarter inch mono jacks for your interface (left and right)... Double check this...
Below is a picture of a stereo jack. Mono jack has one ring:
Of course the input volume will be controlled from your sound interface...
Yes, I have only one audio out from the keyboard. Could you tell me how to do that? What would I need to buy? Are there adapters/splitters?
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Re: Recording Audio Output of Yamaha Keyboard - Disappointing, or I'm doing it wrong.
January 31, 14 8:15 PM
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Aah, thanks Wizard 71.
So once I've done this, do you think the quality and volume of the signal in Sonar will be increased?
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January 31, 14 8:17 PM
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> So once I've done this, do you think the quality and volume of the signal in Sonar will be increased?
Yes. But it's your rig you tell us what happens :)
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Re: Recording Audio Output of Yamaha Keyboard - Disappointing, or I'm doing it wrong.
January 31, 14 8:29 PM
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Anything could happen with my rig  Thanks for your help. I'm hopeless when it comes to setting up gear. I know how to USE the gear once it's set up, at least! One more question: Tomorrow, when I've gone downtown, bought a stereo to mono lead, set it up, opened Sonar... What routing do I need to do then? In the Input for the audio track, where I currently have 'Left M-Audio...' selected, will I need to select 'Stereo M Audio...' instead? Or will it be a case of setting up TWO audio tracks, one with 'Left M Audio...' and one with 'Right M Audio...'? Cheers Dave
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January 31, 14 8:31 PM
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Yes for sure :-) just make sure the input levels to soundcard are correct etc, you know, the usual stuff and you will be good to go. I would also check the master eq in the yamaha settings (I believe it has one) just to make sure it's not on a 'wild' setting.
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January 31, 14 8:37 PM
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You can do either just make sure your panning is correct.
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Re: Recording Audio Output of Yamaha Keyboard - Disappointing, or I'm doing it wrong.
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☼ Best Answerby Daylaa February 09, 14 4:51 PM
I have a Yamaha keyboard that I route the audio out of, into my audio interface, and into Sonar, to capture the audio output from the keyboard, in addition to using it to trigger soft synths.
The output jack in the back of your keyboard is a single STEREO output jack, just like mine.
I went to Radio Shack and bought a 1/4" male stereo to two 1/4" female mono connector splitter. I plug the 1/4" male stereo plug into the stereo output jack of my Yamaha. This leaves the two mono connectors hanging off of that. I then plug standard 1/4" mono instrument cables into the 2 mono connectors of the splitter, and run those two instrument cables into 2 inputs of my audio interface.
I then adjust the keyboard volume and the input volume of the 2 channels of my interface, and have 2 audio tracks in Sonar for these 2 channels from the interface. Both of these are mono channels, and I pan them left and right, appropriately.
I set the levels for the 2 audio tracks in Sonar, and I am good to go. The reason I use two mono tracks in Sonar is to be able to apply different effects to the two channels (left and right). For a keyboard, I would likely add a slight delay to one of the channels, usually the left, to widen the sound - like Tony Banks from Genesis did to get that incredible sound.
I hope the above helps.
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February 01, 14 8:23 AM
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I have a Yamaha keyboard that I route the audio out of, into my audio interface, and into Sonar, to capture the audio output from the keyboard, in addition to using it to trigger soft synths.
The output jack in the back of your keyboard is a single STEREO output jack, just like mine.
I went to Radio Shack and bought a 1/4" male stereo to two 1/4" female mono connector splitter. I plug the 1/4" male stereo plug into the stereo output jack of my Yamaha. This leaves the two mono connectors hanging off of that. I then plug standard 1/4" mono instrument cables into the 2 mono connectors of the splitter, and run those two instrument cables into 2 inputs of my audio interface.
I then adjust the keyboard volume and the input volume of the 2 channels of my interface, and have 2 audio tracks in Sonar for these 2 channels from the interface. Both of these are mono channels, and I pan them left and right, appropriately.
I set the levels for the 2 audio tracks in Sonar, and I am good to go. The reason I use two mono tracks in Sonar is to be able to apply different effects to the two channels (left and right). For a keyboard, I would likely add a slight delay to one of the channels, usually the left, to widen the sound - like Tony Banks from Genesis did to get that incredible sound.
I hope the above helps.
Bob Bone
Very helpful Bob - thank you. I have now got everything set up! Thanks everyone. Dave.
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Re: Recording Audio Output of Yamaha Keyboard - Disappointing, or I'm doing it wrong.
February 01, 14 11:17 AM
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Great news, Dave.
Can you edit your initial post for this thread, and add something like 'Solved'? This will let others know they don't have to wade through a bunch of posts to get up to speed on something they want to help with, only to find out it has already been resolved. It's certainly not mandatory - just a nice practice for the others in the forum. It will also make it easier for some other guy with a similar issue to know that this thread contains the solution.
So, if you choose to do it, just edit the first post of this thread, and as the author, you can add text to the subject line.
Thanks, and again, great news.
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Or better still click "Answer" button under what Bob wrote.
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February 01, 14 12:16 AM
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Sorry - I forgot that Answer button is there.
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Well either way really don't matter, long as one can see (I can just about hear and see, almost...)... ;)
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