TGRANT
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Snapping notes in staff view
I'm using cakewalk 6 - I've recently upgraded from cakewalk 3 (don't laugh). I write a great deal in staff view. The notes do not want to draw on at the appropriate time. For example, I will draw three 1/4 notes, but instead of snapping to say 3.01:100, 3.02:200 etc, they snap off a bit: 3.01:020, 3.02:012 ect. It makes syncing multiple staffs impossible. I have the snap settings to the proper value, for example, I'll use the 'snap to' setting at 1/4 for the quarter note example that I described above, but it doesn't snap. . Any one else have this problem? Writing notes into staff view was a snap (no pun intended) in the older version, but is more difficult in the newer one.
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Beagle
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/11 07:54:06
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hi tgrant - I just tried some things in staff and PRV and I can't replicate your problem. it always snaps to the correct grid for me. are you sure the snap to grid is on? the icon in the Control Bar turns blue when it's 'ON' also, do you have magnetic strength or snap to zero crossings on? that's in the snap preferences (which I can't seem to open from the control bar in MC6 myself - I have to go to preferences to open it).
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/11 08:14:14
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Ahhhh yes... You have a few options. I use staff view a lot to edit midi and run into the same issue. It comes from the note resolution that is set as the default. If you set the resolution to 1/4 notes it will drop the notes on the quarter..... 1:1:000, 1:2:000 etc... It is possible to set the resolution to measure, half, quarter, eighth, sixteenth, thirty second, sixty fourth, and even beyond that. I often operate on the "anything goes" setting which allows splits and notes to be placed anywhere in the measure...precisely. You can reset the resolution to the correct note level you want..... OR.... In the staff view, if you right click a note, a new window opens. Note properties. In it you can manually enter the exact location, duration, and pitch of the note. I use this window when I need to place a note as an accidental and the key I'm in will not permit it. It's also handy for adjusting the start time and duration of a not that was placed in the measure incorrectly as an eighth when you really wanted a note held for 7 beats. I never use the automatic snap settings or the quantize feature since it never does what I want it to. It would be OK for music that is supposed to be steady but the music I write doesn't like those functions so it's all by hand for me. hope this helps you.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2012/02/11 08:16:52
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/11 18:43:32
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Beagle, Thanks for the advice. I rechecked and the snap to grid is on when this happens. I have three settings available for the snap mode in preferences : Off, low, med, and high. Changing these to a different setting doesn't seem to make any difference. Guitarhacker, thanks as well. If I set the resolution to 1/4 and the snap to 1/4, I'm still getting times like 1.01.012 and so on. It seems the note is placed 10-25 units away from the zero crossing. As for changing each note - I end up doing it that way but it's a pain. I was working on a piece that's in the Bach style with 1/16 note runs for several measures. Changing each note to the proper time so they sync with the other tracks will take month or so. I'm primarily a guitar player, so describing my keyboard skills as 'less than adequate' is a kindness. Thanks for all your help. I think it's a glitch in the program. It seems when they upgraded the program they made some parts worse. Unless there is some setting buried somewhere that I'm missing. I'm open for any ideas!
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/11 20:22:54
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When I set the resolution to quarters, thats exactly where it places the notes....same on 1/8 and so on. You may not have something set properly yet. I'll try to remember this and check it out tomorrow afternoon and reply back then
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/12 01:10:08
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Puzzling, for sure. I couldn't reproduce your problem with my MC 6, either. Are the notes off by different degrees or are they always off by the same amount? Check out Quantizing. Something called offset. Well, here it is: Quantizing Quantizing is one of the most important editing functions in Music Creator. You use this feature to correct timing errors you make when recording from a MIDI instrument or to adjust the timing of audio clips. Very few musicians are capable of performing in perfect time. As you play, you are likely to strike some notes slightly before or after the beat or to hold some notes slightly longer than you intended. The Quantize commands can help to correct these types of timing mistakes. The Process > Quantize command adjusts the start time and duration of selected notes so that they line up with a fixed size grid. Resolution The resolution indicates the spacing of the grid. You can use any value from a whole note down to a thirty-second note triplet. You can also specify resolution in clock ticks. A rule of thumb is to select a resolution that matches the smallest note in the region you are quantizing. If you are quantizing a run of sixteenth notes, use a sixteenth note as the resolution. If you are quantizing a mix of sixteenth and eighth notes, you should still use a sixteenth note. At the default timebase of 480 PPQ, 480 clock ticks is equal to quarter-note resolution. Offset Normally, the resolution grid is aligned evenly with the start of measures and beats. As an option, you can shift the grid earlier or later by any desired number of clock ticks. If the resolution is a quarter note and you’ve set the offset to +3 ticks, then a note that is originally near 1:01:000 would be moved to 1:01:003—three ticks beyond the beat boundary. Duration As an option, Music Creator can adjust the duration of note events so that each note ends one clock tick before the start of the nearest resolution-sized note. This ensures that the notes do not overlap, which can cause problems on some synthesizers. The adjustment may lengthen the duration of some notes and shorten the duration of others. If the offset somehow got turned on, possibly by accidentally hitting a keyboard shortcut, the notes might appear to be in the wrong place, but always by the same amount.
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/12 07:23:53
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TGRANT Thanks for all your help. I think it's a glitch in the program. It seems when they upgraded the program they made some parts worse. Unless there is some setting buried somewhere that I'm missing. I'm open for any ideas! no, there's something specific about your setup or system that's causing this. this is not something that everyone sees. as I said above, I tried it before I posted and notes are lining up on the grid as they are supposed to do. is this happening in only one project or have you tried another project?
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/12 16:16:49
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It happens with every project. Also, the quantize function acts unpredictably. The amount the note snaps inappropriately varies. From a few ticks to a 1/16 note at times. It seems as though the snap function is totally disabled. I've even tried different timing setting. I have two monitors, and even tried using one or the other monitor to no avail. I did e-mail tech support. We'll see how they respond. I have heard tech support is less than helpful, but we will see. Thanks for all the advice. It seems my problem is something with the system.
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/12 16:36:31
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tech support is actually very helpful as long as you get thru. there have been problems with reports not getting to tech support OR the email responses going to the spam filter either from the ISP or from your local machine's mail program. if they don't answer you within 5 business days there's a problem somewhere with email between you and them. they do seem to give Sonar higher priority in responses, but they do respond to anyone who sends in the form if the form is not blocked by spam filters. how about giving us some screen shots of what you're seeing? if you don't know how, here's a sticky on how to post screen shots. give us shots of the snap settings you're looking at and the staff view as you enter the notes and show us how it's off.
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/13 00:31:54
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/13 06:55:40
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LOL - greg covering my A! thanks greg, I meant to link that for him!
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/13 07:47:00
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In pilot's parlance.... "covering your 6" !
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/14 19:53:30
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Thanks for all the help. Just an FYI: I uninstalled then re-installed the program but it did not help. I'll need some time to make screen shots happen, which I don't have right now. I'm not sure how much it'll add anyway, as I can't put all the different screens up in a logical manner, and I think I gave you all the info I had. I can't find any other settings that I have not fiddled with, except perhaps the configuration file which I am hesitant to alter. I'm hoping tech support can give me that kind of advice. Hopefully they will have a solution. I can't imagine what it is in my system except some compatibility issue. I don't think the program failed to snap right after I first installed it, and since I originally installed it I've added other programs, so I wonder is some DDL got corrupted or something like that. I can get around the problem by using the quantize function, and sometimes the slight variation in the note placement makes it sound a little more like a real musician rather than a machine, so the problem is not insurmountable. I thank you all for your help. I'll keep you posted. Keep making them music! As always the forum members have been great. Regards, Grant
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Re:Snapping notes in staff view
2012/02/15 06:34:33
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sometimes screenshots add nothing to help us. most of the time, it helps tremendously because we can't see what you see. that's why we ask for them whenever we can't figure out the problem. reinstalling the program would do nothing to resolve this. this isn't a case of corrupt installation - reinstalling rarely fixes anything actually - sometimes, but not very often. on the other hand, I just read in the Sonar forum that X1 has a known bug of this very kind. the notes do not snap to the grid like they are supposed to. I'm not sure why it would be a problem for some people but not for others, but MC6 is a derivative of X1, so it follows that if it doesn't work for some people in X1 then it might also be a bug for some people in MC6. honestly, you're the first person I remember having this problem and MC6 has been out for over a year. so I apologize for saying it wasn't a bug earlier, apparently it looks like it is. I didn't think it was because you're the first to have the problem and Herb and Greg and I apparently don't. that would indicate a system problem normally. Since this is a known issue with X1, I suggest you submit a problem report. http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/ProblemReporter/ in the meantime, the work around is either moving them manually after you enter them, or using the PRV, which, to my knowledge, isn't affected by this problem.
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