Using Abbey Road Drums (Kontakt) with Sonar X1

it's not clear if you want to record the drums' audio output or the midi patterns used to trigger the drums?

Are you familiar with using soft synths in general? Have you done the tutorial (#4 or #6 or..) about using soft synth? Your problem description leaves me confused.

I'm not familiar with ARD, but I assume it works like KONTAKT normally functioons and other soft synths and drum software. You record or drag the MIDI beats on the MIDI track, and route the MIDI to play KONTAKT. To convert to audio you bounce or freeze.

Razorwit - I just wanted to thank you for posting that tip!!! It's what I've been looking for.

It's not about Kontakt, Komplete and Sonar-It;s about softsynths. For the most part they are all the same-kind of.
 
Anyway-Here is one way to get individual outs in Kontakt. Follow it word for word. It works-I have used this in K4 and K5.
 
I found this, I did not create it:

From the synth rack, I insert an instance of Kontakt (not the 16out, just the one that says Kontakt). From the insert synth properties page under create these tracks I select "MIDI source", "synth track folder" and "All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo" and click ok. It then creates a track folder with 16 stereo outs from kontakt and a midi track.

Then from the Kontakt window I select whichever drum multi I want from ssd in the library. The kit loads with all the sounds being routed to just the first or main stereo output.

Then from the "Outputs" mixer section in Kontakt, I click on the "conf." under the second track (usually for the snare). Then under the channel output configuration window I click on the physical out for channel 01 and select the 3rd option from the drop down. For me it reads "KT aux 1[1]". The physical out should now say "plugin out #3". Then I click on the physical out for channel 02 and select the fourth option (this reads "KT aux 1[2]"). So now channel 2 reads "plugin out #4". Click ok to apply the changes. Then click on the button towards the top of the "outputs" mixer view in kontakt that says "Reset Out Map." This will change all the output of all channels to follow sequentially. So now each channel strip will be routed to a separate track in the kontakt folder in sonar. Then all you have to do is delete the unused channels in the track folder. For me with the steven slate drums, this is usually the last four tracks.

Let me know if this makes any difference in your routing.

Hi Danny,
Actually the (Studio/60's/whatever) Drummer series is routable, it's just tough to find.  I showed someone else how to do it here a couple weeks ago:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2481347&mpage=1#2481353


Good luck
Dean

Razor, nevermind....you're right. I found it. I had to click on "settings" while in the mixing console...and then I could route each individual to my tracks. It works like a charm...sheesh...thanks for helping me solve this riddle! :) I so hate that Kontakt player...so many options...so confusing!

-Danny

Hi Dean, yeah me too....you can't imagine how long I've messed with this particular sample package. You pointing this out has been a major hurdle for me along side of a trigger issue that I've been having with only that sample pack.

I couldn't get the snare to trigger right at note D1. No matter what I tried, it just passed right on by my notes there which would just be center hits on my V Drums kit. This bothered me for the longest time. I've never had good results with NI tech support so I did my best to stay away from them.

I finally gave up because I just couldn't figure it out. So I mailed support and actually got a really good dude named Patrick. We found out that my Roland brain is sending CC16's all over the place...which is wreaking havoc in that sample pack. So doing away with CC16 using Sonar's midi filter plug helped on stuff that was already tracked. Then to totally fix it, I went into my Roland brain and just disabled CC16 as it doesn't seem to be doing anything. I'm not even sure what it is...but disabling it didn't mess with any of my midi's and playing the kit in real time is perfect too.

Between this issue and the output thing, I was pulling my hair out...and well, I need my hair. LOL! So anyway, yeah what you've offered here has been most helpful. I really appreciate it...I owe ya one man. :)

-Danny

Blogman


2 ways to ease the pains of multi-out kontact drums. 1. When you insert synth, choose 16 out and check the all synth audio outputs: Stereo (or mono if prefered), then under the MIXER tab in kontact assign each drum/Mic to separate outs. They should already be created in Sonar if you chose All synth audio outputs. 2. IF you loaded the Stereo Kontact to start with (to keep your load lighter), Don't Sweat, Just click OUTPUTS (in Kontact), then click ADD CHANNELS, Quantity: 8 number of channels: 2 (for 8 stereo trcks, 16/1 for 16 mono) Soundcard/Host output: Kt St 1, CHECK the box 'ascending output assignment'. CHECK the box 'Delete existing Channels before creating new ones'. MIXER TAB: notice St 1 is still the only available channel out... NO Problem, Just hit the EXCLAMATION BOX (left of the Cpu/disk meter in Kt) Now ALL 8 stereo outs (or 16 mono, depending on your choices) appear in the MIXER tab of Kt. Now assign kick, snare, hats, toms (i like to subgroup sometimes), St OH, ST Room, Mono OH, Mono Room, Perc, etc... to separate outs. Go to SONAR and insert the appropriate number of audio tracks in Your synth folder (Modern Drummer) and assign there INPUTS to be the separate outs from Kontakt. They show up as inputs in Sonar now. Then you can hit freeze and they'll all get separated and bounced to individual frozen wav files for further special treatment.

Priceless info there...ok that's 4 things I've learned on this forum today. Thanks for sharing that, Blogman. I'm archiving all this stuff....I need it with this Kontakt animal. LOL! :)
 
-Danny

" IF you loaded the Stereo Kontact to start with (to keep your load lighter), Don't Sweat, Just click OUTPUTS (in Kontact), then click ADD CHANNELS, Quantity: 8 number of channels: 2 (for 8 stereo trcks, 16/1 for 16 mono) Soundcard/Host output: Kt St 1, CHECK the box 'ascending output assignment'. CHECK the box 'Delete existing Channels before creating new ones'. MIXER TAB: notice St 1 is still the only available channel out... NO Problem, Just hit the EXCLAMATION BOX (left of the Cpu/disk meter in Kt) Now ALL 8 stereo outs (or 16 mono, depending on your choices) appear in the MIXER tab of Kt. Now assign kick, snare, hats, toms (i like to subgroup sometimes), St OH, ST Room, Mono OH, Mono Room, Perc, etc... to separate outs. Go to SONAR and insert the appropriate number of audio tracks in Your synth folder (Modern Drummer) and assign there INPUTS to be the separate outs from Kontakt. They show up as inputs in Sonar now. Then you can hit freeze and they'll all get separated and bounced to individual frozen wav files for further special treatment. "


This one deserves a permanent sticky on my desktop! Thanks a bunch!