jamesmh
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track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
Wondering if anybody else might have had and solved this problem. I'm running MC5 on an HP laptop, 1.6g CPU, 1g RAM, WinXP. I'm just learning my way around MC. I have intermittent but fairly bad playback problems--popping, staticy kind of stuff--with only one track recorded/playing. Attempting to add a 2nd track is hopeless because it records so far out of sync. I know it sounds like a resource problem, but CPU usage when recording is very low (5% max) and there seems to be plenty of free RAM. AV is disabled, WiFi is disabled, no other apps open. I downloaded and ran the DPC latency checker and it shows very good latency while recording, under 300usec. Also, other audio recording and playback software works perfectly fine. So I'm thinking I have something wrong between MC5 and the Extigy. Thanks for any help.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/22 21:54:53
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This is a very common problem for new users. The problem is primarily due to the fact that the soundblaster was not designed for use with DAW's. These work fine for gaming and such, but weren't designed for the load that a DAW can place on it. You can try adjusting the Mixing Latency settings to a safer value to fix the popping, static and dropouts. You'll probably want to look into purchasing a better sound card.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/22 22:11:07
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I used an Extigy for several years, in fact, it's sitting on the shelf behind me. I could never get the latency below 20 ms, which is adequate, but I could sometimes notice a definite delay when recording through it. And the little input jacks meant I always had to use adapters, and with an SM 58 on an XLR cable plugged into an impedance-matching transformer and into the 1/8" jack, I always had to set up some kind of support to keep the cable/transformer from breaking off the little plug or dragging it off the desk. In any case, check out the Troubleshooting section of the Help files, and the Improving Audio Performance section, too. There may be some info in there that will help you set it up to work better. I wish I could remember what I did to get it working as well as it did.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/22 23:58:35
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Yeah, all that makes sense, and I will check out that info...I'm just having trouble understanding why it would be so very bad. I've recorded tons of audio, both from recordings and live input, with this thing, and never had even the hint of a playback problem. I tried N-Track Studio for multi-tracking, and with up to 4 tracks or so it seemed more or less ok--I always thought the track sync was a little off but it wasn't just hopeless. No playback problems with it, either, in the sense of noise or dropouts. But with MC5 I can't get even one track with no effects to play consistently. Oh well, I guess I am overdue for a new audio device. Thanks.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/23 08:13:04
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Eventually, if you decide to get into recording as a hobby, or more.... you will want to invest in a nice Music Interface ......external USB such as one of the Focusrite or M-Audio interfaces. Beagle has a web site that may be useful in making that decision. The factory cards do not cut it.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/23 10:45:54
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I used to record 6-10 audio tracks with the Extigy and didn't have that problem with synching or playback. It was a good starter device. Can you list what your audio settings are? Playback and Recording Timing Masters, Buffers in Playback Queue, Latency, Drivers, Sampling Rate and Bit Depth, etc. Also, check that the sampling rate and bit depth are the same for MC and the SB. I think many Sound Blsaters are set to 48,000 Hz by default and MC is 44,100 Hz. Change one or the other so they are the same.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/23 20:41:41
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Good Point, Greg. I forgot about the differences in sampling rates. Latency really is not a problem for either just recording or just playing back. This may explain why you never really noticed a problem in the past, except as you noted with the N-Track Studio. The latency is a problem when you are trying to playback some tracks and record other tracks at the same time, otherwise, the music can be buffered for recording or playback without dropouts. This is the main reason most folks here have invested in a soundcard designed to work with a DAW. You should be able to get as good a latency as you had with N-Track Studio, though. It's probably just a matter of adjusting the Buffers and Latency to achieve similar results as Greg has noted. Further, make sure your Playback and Recording Masters are selecting the Extigy. If you have a built-in soundcard on your motherboard besides the Extigy, then MC5 perhaps is selecting it as your Master. I think if you post your audio settings as Greg requested, then the forum should be able to help you get better performance out of your Extigy. Good luck!
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/23 23:20:05
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Well, I experimented some more with the latency setting and seem to have found a sweet spot at 60msec where playback works better, at least. Earlier I'd tried the middle, which was the default, and very high and very low, none of which worked very well. Haven't tested much to see if it's going to be consistent. I had already checked the Extigy vs MC sample rate, and indeed they were different (exactly right, Greg: 48 on the device, 44.1 in MC), but couldn't tell any difference after I set them both to 44.1. Bit depth is 16, drivers are WDM/KS (only other option is MME, which hardly worked at all). But I don't see the Timing Master and Playback Buffers setting in the Audio options. Somewhere or other I saw a reference to checking the buffer configuration in the Advanced tab there, but I don't see them. Have to edit the config file, maybe? There are a number of buffer-related params in there, but I don't see a reference to a timing master. WaveInBuffers and WaveOutBuffersKS look like candidates. Again, many thanks. The help is greatly appreciated.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/26 19:20:48
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Well, it sounds like you are making some progress. Kee us posted.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/26 22:38:24
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Set everything to 48k. This is the native sample rate for the SB. Even though it may say 44.1k, it is internally resampling to 48k. Download ASIO4All. The SB cards have fairly decent WDM drivers, and tend to do well with the ASIO4All wrapper. It should give you acceptable, clean latency below 20ms.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/26 23:21:27
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But I could never get my Extigy to work using ASIO4All. But I was younger and stupider way back then and I had (have) a Media Center computer. It may work well for you.
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jamesmh
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/02/29 23:15:18
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I doubled those two buffer counts, and between that and finding the sweet spot for latency, it's working acceptably now. I may replace the Extigy anyway before too long. There are no Win7 drivers for it, for one thing, and I'd sorta like to upgrade. But at least I can actually use basic MC features now, learn my way around it, and get some worthwhile practice in. Many thanks for all the help.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/03/01 07:45:28
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when you're ready to upgrade, check out my website for soundcard recommendations.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/03/01 08:29:40
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Just for giggles, I tried to connect my Extigy to my new Win 7 computer a few months ago. Wouldn't work at all, and the software couldn't even be loaded. So, at least yours works.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/03/01 09:16:50
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This is not a critical issue for me. I don't use the lappy for recording these days.....however, on this soundcard topic.... I have been trying off and on to get my Dell lappy to work using the built in sound card. I even DL'd ASIO4ALL and installed that. Just so I can mix some of the stuff in audio in the lappy if I decided I wanted to do that. I have playback on some of the drivers, but not all, and a4a doesn't seem to make things better, or worse. And when I say playback is happening..... well I mean, yeah I can hear it, barely. I have to turn it all the way up....and I'd better not forget and then open my audio editor or it will cave my eardrums in. As Greg said..... this is for giggles and grins, not anything serious, since I do not use the lappy. I have never been able to use the built in soundcard in this lappy successfully.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/03/06 20:44:49
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I already have, actually. I need an external unit, so one of those inexpensive Lexicon USBs might be good.
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Re:track sync problems with MC5 and SoundBlaster Extigy
2012/03/07 07:49:41
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I think a few people use the Lexicons. M-Audio seems to be another popular one. I seem to recall some sort of issue that you should be aware of with the Lambda.... but I can not recall the details... maybe Beagle or Greg know. I would consider an interface with midi in it as well if you use or plan to use a midi keyboard in your studio at any time in the future.
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