SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61?

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SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61?

I recently bought a "Behringer FCV100 Dual-Mode Foot Pedal for Volume and Modulation Control".
I want to use it to control modulation in GPO and Instant Orchestra but it's not working like the mod wheel... it doesn't fade to no sound or change the layers of instruments (it only seems to control volume not the rest of the data).
I looked in the Axiom manual to see how to set the "expr out" on theto modulation (channel 1) but it appears I'm not smart enough to decipher wtf.
Can someone please give me a step-by-step process?
Thanks very much,
Randy

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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/26 13:48:57 (permalink)
    Ive had horrible luck with getting the perimeters to work properly with an expression pedal and Axiom61.  Spent a bunch of time with Maudio support and nothing worked.  I gave up and draw everything in.  Sorry I know this wasnt helpful


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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/26 18:04:37 (permalink)
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    Ive had horrible luck with getting the perimeters to work properly with an expression pedal and Axiom61.  Spent a bunch of time with Maudio support and nothing worked.  I gave up and draw everything in.  Sorry I know this wasnt helpful
    I'd like to think it's just that I have the expression pedal output set to the default of controller 11 and not controller 1. 
    Did M-Audio tell you how to do that?
    Thanks,
    Randy



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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/27 10:08:25 (permalink)
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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/27 10:40:45 (permalink)
    I have never had any problems with it. I opened Enigma 1.2 to check and I have the Foot controller (Expression pedal) set to:
    MIDI CC 4 
    CH 0 
    data3 127 
    data2 0 
    data1 <blank> 

    which, I believe are system defaults. At any rate, I don't think I ever modified them.
    I use Preset 17 usually.



    Enigma is appropriately named, but I would give it a try and see if it can coax that pedal into life.

    The foot controller I use has a polarity setting and trimpot to adjust the range. It is the M Gear EX P. I've had it for so long I don't recall much about it. 

    I do use it often and without any problems.


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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/27 13:59:09 (permalink)
    I did get it changed from the ch 11 default to ch 1 but the data being sent on the axiom is 65-127 instead of 0-127 so I'm halfway there.
    I'm now looking at the manual to find out how to change that minimum from 65 to zero.
    Thanks very much,
    Randy

    EDIT: I found it and it was set to zero.  So if the minimum is set to 0 it's actually 65 set to 20 it equals 75 set to30 it equals 80 set to 40 it equals 84 (huh?) set to 50 it equals 89 set to 60 it equals 94 set to 70 it equals 99 I sure hope I can figure this out because I foolishly threw away the box and can't return it.
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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/27 18:35:04 (permalink)
    I don't understand what you mean by setting the minimum.

    The way it should work is something like this: the Axiom provides a voltage to the trimpot that is controlled by the foot pedal. As you move the pedal, that changes the resistor wiper which changes the output voltage. Somewhere in the Axiom that voltage gets read and converted to a number in the MIDI range from 0 to 127.

    For my controller, there is an additional physical trimpot adjustment on the pedal that changes the response and I can adjust it for full range or another range response if I want.

    You could check the trimpot against an ohmmeter and see if it goes through the full range of values. You could do that from the RCA jack output pins of the pedal. It is a tip-ring-sleeve arrangement


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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/27 19:02:45 (permalink)
    I don't understand what you mean by setting the minimum.



    According to the manual "data 1" is to set which controller you want and I switched that from ch 11 (expression) to ch 1 for modulation. Pushing "data 2" brings up the minimum value of that range (0-127) and I selected 0. 
    "Data 3" sets the maximum and I set that to 127 but when I use the pedal the minimum it shows (and sounds like) is 65.
    The manual also states one can reverse these to where the pedal pushed down will be the minimum and up will be maximum. I did this and was able to get a minimum of zero but a maximum of like 66...so it seems the pedal is only sending half for whatever reason.
    I know nothing about how the electronics work except for what you just explained to me so if I don't get a resolution from the support tech at M-Audio (that told me on the phone he would research it and get back with me) I'll probably just buy another and give this one to my wife to volume control the keyboard she uses for live gigs...I did find the box to return it but shipping would cost more than half of what I paid for the POS.
    Thanks for your efforts my friend,
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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/27 19:40:03 (permalink)
    your running preset 10 or 17 on the axiom also?
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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/27 19:44:44 (permalink)
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    your running preset 10 or 17 on the axiom also?
    Oh I guess I should have mentioned up front that I'm pretty much a goof when it comes to this stuff...what kind of preset are we talking about?
    Thanks very much,
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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2012/02/27 21:43:21 (permalink)
    It's been a long time since I played around with the Axiom settings and I have an older model so things may be a little different for you.

    You set the Axiom Preset to 17 via the + and - keys in the numeric pad area (labeled 'Snapshot').
    The display will show P17 or whatever.

    Each of these is a different setup and Preset 17 is one that sends controller data the way most things that I use like it.

    You can probably see the list of differences in the Axiom manual.

    Enigma is the free M-Audio MIDI set up software that let's you do as much damage as you like to the MIDI controller stuff. You can download for free from the M-Audio site.

    What you are calling channel is a bit confusing. MIDI has 16 channels and these are usually reserved one for each instrument (and 10 is usually a Drum machine).

    The actual name is Controller number - 'Continuous Controller'  (CC) to be more precise - and there is a preset list of many of these - 1 is the Mod Wheel, 4 is a foot controller, etc. But you are pretty free to change these as you like. However, many things are already set up to recognize things like Mod Wheel data, so if you do change them, do so at your own peril.

    Enigma lets you make your own presets of the Axiom settings - you can change zones, split the keyboard, change velocity curves, lots of stuff that I once played with but now forget completely.

    I usually use a DAW for this and just use the Axiom as a keyboard with a few switches. Mod Wheel and Foot controller are my main external controllers.






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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2015/02/22 15:02:58 (permalink)
    Well, I have a Behringer FCV100 and a M-Audio Axiom 61 (first generation) and until today not had success for to make it work fine. But today I read a post on the Internet that saved my day.
    The Control Change 11 (expression) is the correct one to be used, it is not the problem, but the Control Change 07 (volume) also can be used. I also had the range 60 - 127 with the FCC100, although in the Axiom 61 the Data screen 2 was setted to zero and Data 3 setted to 127.
    Assuming you are using a stereo cable with P10 stereo plugs at each side, you need to invert the position of the positive and negative wire positions in only one of the sides of the cable. This really work, although seems very strange.
    Now I have a 000-127 range of values when pressing the FCV100, and a very smooth transition of steps.
    Try this easy step and be happy with this fantastic and cheap pedal.
    Greetings.
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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2015/02/22 15:06:22 (permalink)
    One note:
    I´m using the FCV  in CV mode for to control volume in the MIDI parts.
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    Re:SOT: Anyone using an expression pedal with an Axiom 61? 2015/02/22 16:50:39 (permalink)
    Sounds like the OP is confusing midi channel and cc number.  So, you can control volume with cc number 7, you can then set what MIDI channel you will be broadcasting on.... one way to know what channel you are using is to set the INPUT to your AXIOM and a specific channel number... if you get NO DATA, then the AXIOM isn't broadcasting on the channel you set in SONAR.....  play around... get the MIDI channel working and then play with the settings for controller data.
     
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