Antient Musical Equipment Devastation

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2012/03/03 20:22:28 (permalink)

Antient Musical Equipment Devastation

Do you think that if I named my performance or CD -"AMED"- and compiled my older stuff together that It might have a chance in the big time!? 
As I see it, there wasn't much real music created during the 70's and 80's,mostly just noise.  It was a slight twinge in the neck , rather than a heightening of the musical senses.  I think I have captured this feeling and sound, and I am now attempting to create it over the next year in my studio here at ghostown-usa!  I will keep you informed as I trifle about in the electronical Alesis -Roland -Ensoniq -PC enviroment I have set up. 
First Question? The Roland CD-R II is supposed to be the compatible CD for the VS-890. I can't find any documentation for it on the Roland site, this isn't going to be a problem is it?  Cause I have alot in this and la la lla  la la ..    !
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/03 20:28:06 (permalink)
    I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    is WHAT going to be a problem?  I know what a VS-890 is, I know what a CD-R is, but I don't see the real question in that psychobabble.
     
    and what does Roland CD-R's and Roland VS-890's have to do with Music Creator?  those are stand alone machines.  Roland owns cakewalk, but that's the only connection this forum has to anything you're talking about.  this forum is for Cakewalk SOFTWARE products and this particular subforum is for the Music Creator brand from cakewalk (owned my Roland) but has nothing to do with VS-890 hardware recorders.
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/03 20:30:00 (permalink)
    What does this post have to do with music creator? 

    And no.... the name doesn't mean jack.... if the music sucks no matter what you name it doesn't suddenly make it a hit.  

    Spare us the drivel.... 

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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/06 00:39:19 (permalink)
    Cakewalk sold me a midi interface that is delivering the VS but so far, the content of the tracks emulated by the 880EX settings are empty.
    What could be the cause?
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/06 00:41:02 (permalink)
    My music creator is not getting the music, all the tracks come in but they are all empty
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/06 07:27:30 (permalink)
    You know... to be honest... I don't have a clue.

    You need to tell us a few details..... such as:

    What computer are you using?  What processor, how much memory, what OPERATING SYSTEM it is using and what SOUND CARD it is using for starters. 

    Then we also need to know what version of Music Creator you are using.  

    Then we need to know about the other gear you are using in this such as any USB interfaces or cords, adapters, musical midi keyboards etc....

    Then describe in as much detail as you can..SPECIFICALLY what you are trying to do and what is happening when you attempt this. 

    For us to be able to help, we need to understand as much as we can about your rig and what you;re doing. 



    DON'T assume we know what an abbreviation might be such as when you used "delivering the VS"  Someone else may know but I have no clue what that is. 
    post edited by Guitarhacker - 2012/03/06 07:30:03

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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/10 16:29:32 (permalink)
    Before your time I think.. Cakewalk MC2, old Dell Laptop with Cakewalk MIDI UM2G, and well my "rig" has a  Roland VS-890 and CDRII in it.  My 890 playbacks but the tracks I am getting are empty.  I get all 5 channels/tracks, but there is no content in them.... Why is it stripping my song tags?
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/11 00:51:02 (permalink)
    So, you plug the audio output of the recorder into the audio input of your sound card or audio interface (and what is your sound card or audio interface?), set the input of an audio track in MC, arm for record, press the record button, and nothing gets recorded?
    Do the level meters move while you're recording?

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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/11 08:07:31 (permalink)
    have you plugged speakers or a headphone into the outputs you're sending to MC to verify that you're getting sound out of the VS?

    what do you have set up as your INPUTS on the audio tracks you're recording from the VS?  what exactly does it say on INPUT?

    what do you have set up in the DRIVERS section of MC2? 

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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/11 20:23:30 (permalink)
    The cakewalk UM-2G, is a USB adapter, with a 2 port midi interface that hooks up to the midi in outs on the VS.
    The midi tracks are empty when i try to record them on the computer.
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/11 20:29:17 (permalink)
    From the nobrainers I am getting here, maybe you think I should use the Logic VS computer software from Emagic, instead of the MC2?

    I tried the Logic VS but it only emulates the 890 as a 880 with a special setup in the VS-890.
    But I am working on the 200 pg manual.  I will eventually try both, and use the best of the two for my disc.
     

    What a machine the 890! 
    MS2 ain't bad either.... 
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/11 21:33:28 (permalink)
    you didn't answer my questions.

    if you're trying to record MIDI from the VS, then what are the INPUTS selected on the MIDI tracks you're trying to record on?  and do you have the tracks ARMED?  and are you pressing RECORD on the transport?

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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/12 14:41:53 (permalink)
    ruk, please concentrate for a second.
    Nobody has any idea of what you are talking about.
    Describe your workflow and the problem in an understandable form, please.

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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/19 23:43:30 (permalink)
    no content in the tracks I get from my Roland 890 studio.  Not even in my VS-Logic ware designed to use with it... I am AMED baffled...

    I know what I am doing, I just don't know why the computer isn't getting the data through the midi
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/19 23:44:58 (permalink)
    the computer program isn't getting the midi track data.  It is getting an empty midi track.
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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/20 08:35:43 (permalink)
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    From the nobrainers I am getting here, maybe you think I should use the Logic VS computer software from Emagic, instead of the MC2?

    I tried the Logic VS but it only emulates the 890 as a 880 with a special setup in the VS-890.
    But I am working on the 200 pg manual.  I will eventually try both, and use the best of the two for my disc.
     

    What a machine the 890! 
    MS2 ain't bad either.... 

    If I say... I have my thing connected to the other thing and I can't figure out why it's not working..... do you have a clue what I'm talking about?   Of course not. 


    You have some of the best folks that are willing to help you get started here in this forum, but we are not mind readers and we are not brainless about midi and audio and we know many, many of the cakewalk DAW platforms having used them literally for decades. 


    If you will take the time to first of all describe in detail what you have, what you're doing, and what is or is not happening, perhaps we can get you going. Secondly, when someone gives you some advice as to what to do or try, or asks a question, answer the question and try the advice and report back.  Did it work? Did it not work? What if anything happened? 


    This is often a try something to see if it works kinda thing because there are so many variables in the hundreds of home studios. 


    Do some reading on MIDI.  Your VS puts out MIDI data on a specific channel. Normally it is set to OMNI, meaning all channels. However, it could have been switched to a specific channel. the owners manual tells you how to change and check that. 


    The MIDI interface should show up as an available MIDI device in the MIDI input options.  Select it. Be sure the MIDI channel input and the keyboard are on the same midi channel. If they are not, you will not be able to record it. 


    Have a synth set up properly to play back the live midi data coming in as well as the recorded midi data in the source track. 


    When you have those things setup and working properly, and channels assigned correctly, then, and only then will you be able to record and play back midi from the keyboard and source track. 


    Once you get it figured out it's not that hard. But that first time can be a bit challenging. 



    Note: One quick check to be sure the synth and midi source are set up properly..... click on the midi source track and open the staff view. Use the mouse to click in a few random notes. 6 to 10 notes are more than enough.  hit playback. Do you hear sound? 

    If Yes... it's set up, now it is a matter of recording live notes to the track.

    If NO.... you need to find out why because something is not set up properly to allow playback. 

    Run this check and let us know. 


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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/20 11:38:28 (permalink)
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    you didn't answer my questions.

    if you're trying to record MIDI from the VS, then what are the INPUTS selected on the MIDI tracks you're trying to record on?  and do you have the tracks ARMED?  and are you pressing RECORD on the transport?


    you're still not answering my questions.  please answer these questions DIRECTLY.

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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/20 12:37:21 (permalink)
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    no content in the tracks I get from my Roland 890 studio.  Not even in my VS-Logic ware designed to use with it... I am AMED baffled...

    I know what I am doing, I just don't know why the computer isn't getting the data through the midi

    What has that got to do with ruks original question, which is the topic of this thread (even though it's getting nowhere :o/)? This is not a Logic forum, nor a Roland forum, this is SONAR forum.


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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/20 21:36:24 (permalink)
    They're the same guy, Kalle, with different logons. I had to check.

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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/20 23:42:37 (permalink)
    Yeah, same guy.
    This one's going to be tough.
    He thinks he knows what he is doing, but clearly doesn't, and refuses to cooperate.

    C'mon gnat. You've got some of the best guys around trying to help you. Work with them, please.



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    Re:Antient Musical Equipment Devastation 2012/03/21 03:56:46 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info, Greg.

    It seems this guy can't concentrate enough to be helped. I'll pass...

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