I'm thinking about a fireproof safe....

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2012/03/04 14:53:18 (permalink)

I'm thinking about a fireproof safe....

To keep all my install media.

The blessing is that most of my recent purchases (last 6 months or so) were downloadable and so in many cases recoverable via the intertubies. Even then, they (all dl'd products) are on my 4TB Raid Buffalo. I imagine I should consider Carbonite for an offsite storage of the Buffalo drive (as a natural disaster backup plan). 
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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2012/03/04 15:04:53 (permalink)
    A coincidence.  Bought one on special from Office Depot yesterday http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/196928/Sentry-Safe-Fire-Safe-Combination-Safe/  on sale for $118.  1700 degrees for 1 hour.  87 pounds.  Looks good in the bookshelf in the den...
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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2012/03/04 19:02:39 (permalink)
    I'm still working on having something valuable enough to want to keep safe...

     
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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2012/03/04 19:50:23 (permalink)
    A local gun shop is running a really good sale on Liberty safes..... all fire rated and heavy as the fat lady at the fair.  I'm considering a visit to the shop to check out ammo deals as well as having a serious look at the safes. 

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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 05:15:28 (permalink)
    Well, owing fireproof safes really worth you and helps to protect your expensive items. However, if anyone looking to keep any important items at there own place, than I recommend you for the Safes in NYC, which is considered as best option. They are best service provider for all types of hi-tech safes with other facilities needed.
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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 08:18:40 (permalink)
    Safe deposit box at my local bank for $15.00 a year...
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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 08:20:35 (permalink)

    I store all my install disks in a jar of water.







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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 11:13:46 (permalink)
    I have one of those "fireproof" security boxes from Home Depot (about $40) and it seems like a sturdy box indeed. Trouble is, it's hard to recommend one because you have no idea how effective it is until you actually have a fire...

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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 11:55:59 (permalink)
    bapu needs fireproof safe; $200
    Herb needs ammo: $500
    spammer resurrects year old thread:  priceless


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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 12:06:50 (permalink)
    follow up.... got the safe.... got the ammo. 

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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 12:20:36 (permalink)
    Do they make fire-proof fridge safes for storing becan?

     
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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 12:21:46 (permalink)
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    Do they make fire-proof fridge safes for storing becan?


    only in the Sussex Kitchen remodel packages.

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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 13:58:27 (permalink)
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    Do they make fire-proof fridge safes for storing becan?


    only in the Sussex Kitchen remodel packages.


    Oh good.  I know where to get one of those!

     
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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 14:10:13 (permalink)
     For a small fee I will offer to keep all of your stuff. I'm not as expensive as some others( you know who).

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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 16:23:34 (permalink)
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     For a small fee I will offer to keep all of your stuff. I'm not as expensive as some others( you know who).

    Depending on the state you live in.... you may not be able to have some of the stuff I have..... especially with all these new laws popping up in the last few months..... it might get you arrested and thrown in the slammer.

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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 16:25:39 (permalink)
    I'm with MikeMccue, I have a bank safety deposit box for my important documents and I keep a harddrive back up of my important documents.
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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 17:05:04 (permalink)
    They all deteriorate There is no media that does not deteriorate over time.

    For many years, the gold standard for long term data retention was optical disk (not CD or DVD, but a special format/media called Magneto-Optical - there were/are also other formats).

    Optical Disks fell out of favor in the last 5-10 years - mostly due to their lack of storage capacity (a max of around 9GB per disk) and high cost.  Even with some more recent improvements in technology, the capacity of these disks is not anywhere near what spinning media can hold. (ie: 1TB per disk).

    MO disks are good for up to about 100 years.  Of course, that's assuming that you can find a drive that can READ them 100 years from now!!!

    Tape (LTO, DLT, etc) is typically good for 40-50 years.

    CD & DVD's are typically rated around 25 years (it varies a little based on dyes used, etc).  Most people don't realize that regular "printed" CDs are stamped in aluminum (or similar substrate) while writable disks contain dyes instead of aluminum.

    Flash drives are not considered a long-term retention media.

    The current state-of-the-art technology for data retention is something like the HP RISS (http://h18006.www1.hp.com...ts/storageworks/riss/) or the EMC Celerra (http://www.emc.com/produc...mily.htm).   Note there are other manufacturers.

    These are spinning-disk systems that are designed to be relatively low-cost (ie: they use SATA drives rather than SCSI, Fibre Channel or SAS drives) and are intended to used differently - as the data gets older (and with it the storage system) we expect our customers to migrate their data to a NEW storage system.  This should occur every 5-10 years or so.

    The idea is that since storage technology is changing too rapidly, one needs to keep the data on something that can be easily read - think about what I said above about getting something that can actually read the disks.  If your technology is within 2-3 generations of current, you should be able to move the data.  Any more than that and all bets are off.

    I can't tell you mow many 5.25" floppy disks, 9-track tapes, zip disks, QIC tapes, etc that I have thrown out because I can't read them anymore.  Next are my 1.44MB floppies, CD-ROMs, and Parallel ATA drives.  ;^)

    If you want to have something for personal use (such as storing your digital photos), I would suggest something really cheap - like a USB hard drive (160GB, 500GB).  Use 2 of them to be sure that one would be readable in 5 years, and make 2 copies of everything.

    Then, just like with the fancy new systems, copy it to whatever is current every 5 years - so you'll never throw it out because you can't read it.


    There is no media that does not deteriorate over time.

    For many years, the gold standard for long term data retention was optical disk (not CD or DVD, but a special format/media called Magneto-Optical - there were/are also other formats).

    Optical Disks fell out of favor in the last 5-10 years - mostly due to their lack of storage capacity (a max of around 9GB per disk) and high cost.  Even with some more recent improvements in technology, the capacity of these disks is not anywhere near what spinning media can hold. (ie: 1TB per disk).

    MO disks are good for up to about 100 years.  Of course, that's assuming that you can find a drive that can READ them 100 years from now!!!

    Tape (LTO, DLT, etc) is typically good for 40-50 years.

    CD & DVD's are typically rated around 25 years (it varies a little based on dyes used, etc).  Most people don't realize that regular "printed" CDs are stamped in aluminum (or similar substrate) while writable disks contain dyes instead of aluminum.

    Flash drives are not considered a long-term retention media.

    The current state-of-the-art technology for data retention is something like the HP RISS (http://h18006.www1.hp.com...ts/storageworks/riss/) or the EMC Celerra (http://www.emc.com/produc...mily.htm).   Note there are other manufacturers.

    These are spinning-disk systems that are designed to be relatively low-cost (ie: they use SATA drives rather than SCSI, Fibre Channel or SAS drives) and are intended to used differently - as the data gets older (and with it the storage system) we expect our customers to migrate their data to a NEW storage system.  This should occur every 5-10 years or so.

    The idea is that since storage technology is changing too rapidly, one needs to keep the data on something that can be easily read - think about what I said above about getting something that can actually read the disks.  If your technology is within 2-3 generations of current, you should be able to move the data.  Any more than that and all bets are off.

    I can't tell you mow many 5.25" floppy disks, 9-track tapes, zip disks, QIC tapes, etc that I have thrown out because I can't read them anymore.  Next are my 1.44MB floppies, CD-ROMs, and Parallel ATA drives.  ;^)

    If you want to have something for personal use (such as storing your digital photos), I would suggest something really cheap - like a USB hard drive (160GB, 500GB).  Use 2 of them to be sure that one would be readable in 5 years, and make 2 copies of everything.

    Then, just like with the fancy new systems, copy it to whatever is current every 5 years - so you'll never throw it out because you can't read it.



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    Re:I'm thinking about a fireproof safe.... 2013/04/24 18:37:45 (permalink)
    Technically, if its just for backup, you could take a look at cloud based services. I swear by my Dropbox account.
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