Novation control busses? Or other hardware options

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2012/03/06 11:39:22 (permalink)

Novation control busses? Or other hardware options

Hi guys. Is there a way to control the bus section with a Novation controller using automap? I bought one - it would be amazing but seems pretty useless without being able to do that as most of my volume mixing takes place on busses. Is there alternative hardware that works as well as the automap that could be a better option? Seems to me everything else requires mapping, or doesn't really switch between everything automatically like this does. I don't really understand it at all!
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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 14:31:56 (permalink)
    Bump! This thread at the end says it's possible but I'm having no luck at all http://forum.cakewalk.com...466470&mpage=2#2508971
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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 14:33:16 (permalink)
    I've also seen several other posts like mine go unsolved and one comment stating it's not possible. The post I just linked is the first I've found that's positive.
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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 15:37:17 (permalink)
    http://homerecording.com/...onar-x1s-mixer-333277/ Says the master section.. I downloaded the Beta and I do indeed get the master section but it's not much use just controlling the level of my speakers haha. I need the bus section!
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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 15:39:23 (permalink)
    Ah, cool. Like I said in the other thread, I'll look into it. I remember thinking that moving the main master out is utterly useless to be able to do and wondered about removing the feature in the Automap mix template. Never got around to look further into it. I'm starting to think that perhaps I'm misinforming you, but I will look into it as soon as I can. Won't be for a couple of days tho.

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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 15:40:49 (permalink)
    Oh, and had it move the buses as well. I'm pretty sure it did. Will check it out tho so I can say for sure

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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 16:13:17 (permalink)
    Alright, thanks a lot :) Hoping this is true but I've read a few things now to say otherwise, including somebody that spoke to Novation!
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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 16:21:44 (permalink)
    OK, then you're probably right. Hmmm.. maybe my memory is going bad But you said you could control the mains?

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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 16:25:40 (permalink)
    I can indeed control the mains with the new Automap Beta. The couple of negative comments I have read plus my experience have convinced me it's not possible...but the amount of happy users of Novation products on this forum tells me otherwise.
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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/07 17:07:02 (permalink)
    Heh, funny. I'm not entirely happy with the Zero. So far I hate how it works with ACT and the Pro Channel. All I use is the endless rotaries and the multi rotary thingy on instruments and filter effects. I think I might sell it and get the nocturne. I want a lot less than the Zero offers, and then just use my other stuff with ACT in the old way. All I wanted was some nice rotaries

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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/08 07:35:22 (permalink)
    Bus control on a 3rd party controller is questionable at best in Sonar. The WAI cannot be set to the BUS section, even from within Sonar with a mouse! If the WAI is not focussed on the BUS, then the hardware controller cannot control it. I have no idea why Cakewalk did it this way, and actually have put in a bug report which came back as "this is the intended behavior". Once I got that message I submitted it as a feature request  

    The only hardware that I know of that is capable of controlling the bus is the VS-700 and VS-100, however I could be wrong about that.

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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/08 08:37:36 (permalink)
    The Tascam FW-1884 does tracks and busses. 8 analog channels of i/o as well.
    Although discontinued by Tascam (Win 7 will be the last supported OS), there is still
    a small community of us who continue to use it successfully with Sonar.
    The Mackie and Beringer control surfaces are also an option.
    The Beringer users are pretty active on the forum, IF the forum search function worked
    they would be easy to find. You'll just have to search manually.
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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/08 10:43:48 (permalink)
    That's annoying..Sonar is so perfect for me but I do wish they would make the channels like Protools. I looked at the Mackie MCU before, looks great. The Behringer seems to be a copy of that - nice to have a lower price option. I'll look into these when I do a new studio but I guess for now I'll make do. I have noticed a number of MCU mapping issues posted though - that's the one thing I like about the Automap - it is so plug and play! Thanks guys :) DeeringAmps - perhaps you are not aware of a great way to search on forums, go to google and type Site:cakewalk.com Behringer BCF2000, for example. Works very well!
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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/08 12:12:37 (permalink)
    Oh yeah, google does work, but not as well as the native search function on a phpBB site.

    Just saying...

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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/09 16:17:12 (permalink)
    I have to apologize for any confusion - you're right, the Zero elegantly skips any control over the Bus section in Sonar. It does, however, control the Main outs. I remembered incorrectly.

    Bummer. Would have been handy. I have to say that Novation's sollution isn't all I hoped it to be. 

    Sorry for any confusion I added to the topic, tho

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    Re:Novation control busses? Or other hardware options 2012/03/10 02:39:33 (permalink)
    No problem, thanks for the confirmation :)
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