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2012/03/08 09:06:56 (permalink)

recoding heavy guitar Question

so i did some preprodution with the x1d this song i wrote yesterday and layed it down today for reference.
http://soundcloud.com/american-metal/high-on-the-wire
so if im mixing alot of loud guitar and drums what is the standard  for level
i use my ears and cranked it till it peaked then pulled back  about 2 percent of the mix.
im trying to stay away from the multiband since it keeps mudding up the mix when brought down to a mp3.(dam you compression)
 also i practiced alot of eq phasing vox and guitar, you can hear on the into and vocals,  so it could seem odd when playing mp3's.do you use the multiband on mixes of this tipe???
do alot of master mixoligists use the mutiband on loud music, what some advice i can get on the loud guitars  mixing and sonars best guitar friends( EQ high pass filter and or plugin wise )????????????
 

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    Guitarhacker
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    Re:recoding heavy guitar Question 2012/03/08 11:24:30 (permalink)
    When mixing.... (I'm in a different genre) I set the drums and bass first. They are the foundation. Everything else gets built from there. 

    It can be really handy to put the bass and drums into a "Bass/Drums" buss. Same thing with the guitars and vocals, use a different buss for each part of the instrumentation so you have better control. If you have several layered guitar tracks, using the buss will keep the balance right between the tracks and guitars..... while allowing the overall volume to be easily adjusted without disturbing that delicate balance. 

    As you move along in the mix, if the bass and drums end up a bit too loud, you can pull them down as a unit with the buss fader, rather than having all the track faders to deal with and trying to maintain that balance. 


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    Re:recoding heavy guitar Question 2012/03/08 11:56:50 (permalink)
    ya it was a long shot,
     so il tell the story, since everyone is just sitting on the mixers 
    running the line 6 combo with a 4x12  cab,
     have deap lows chuggin shaking the floor, first take was perfect, solo track next.
     short and sweet. all live tracks ar done,
    .its time to play\
     with sonar?
     whats the first
     thing you do.
     what the first plug joel would use?
    after the high pass filter,EQ and or channel tool.??
    i know alot of folks dont like that heavy sound, so lets pretend its a acustic guitar
     whats your first go to sonar device>
     thanks hacker>>>>>>>>>>>>>
     i have 2 mics on the cab 2 tracks -seperate L/R on a guitar buss
    solo buss bass busss drum buss. il all bussed up. now for the +++++

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    Re:recoding heavy guitar Question 2012/03/08 12:19:54 (permalink)
    I think this sounds really good!

    I don't record metal so I'm not an expert but this song rocks! I write record instrumental rock with lots of layered guitars and I usually use a passive EQ like a PulTech type VST for sculpting the guitar tracks. I'll usually use the PC EQ for more surgical EQ.

    Rolling off the lows below 80 Hz with a HP filter on the PC EQ also helps clear the mud when layering guitars but for metal, perhaps that's not recommended?  The PulTech allows me to emphasize a particular mid freq to make the guitars cut through better.

    But like I said before, this tune rocks! Great job!

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    Re:recoding heavy guitar Question 2012/03/08 14:08:08 (permalink)
    thanks man , i very interesed in trying some new sounds since, i have a new daw i want to push it harder. il look in to that Pultech, and yes hevey guitar so very loud can easyly get lost in a mix, but still the the lows need some eq it somthing some guys i know wont even talk about( there secret appoch) like they have some secret locked up on how they get there sounds basicly from my metel for years is that the louded  you mix the less low you get to have, somthing like that.\alot of bass and low after mastering is always very low leveled. bands like Korn there studio mixs are ultra now. others have more crisp sounding guitar at least these days.everything perfectly leveled
    so im reaching for the stars and looking for input. thanks again

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    Re:recoding heavy guitar Question 2012/03/08 14:11:51 (permalink)
    For a good PulTech type EQ try the OverTone PTC-2A or the VTE-2A.  You can download demos before buying. Enjoy and rock on!

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    Re:recoding heavy guitar Question 2012/03/08 15:26:56 (permalink)
    dlesaux


    For a good PulTech type EQ try the OverTone PTC-2A or the VTE-2A.  You can download demos before buying. Enjoy and rock on!

    just tryed PTC 2A very easy and what a great bottom end sound  from the VTE im sold on both, thanks man il be buying this when the months up for shure . there perfect for what im doing
     i owe ya man
    post edited by Sickvision - 2012/03/08 15:38:19

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    Re:recoding heavy guitar Question 2012/03/10 02:06:27 (permalink)
    I record mostly local metal bands.  Your guitars are much more muted and muddy than I aim for.  I like a very forward metal rhythm guitar (usually doubled), more detailed so you can hear the jagged teeth of the distortion. 

    What mics are you using, and what preamps?  Where are you placing the mics?
    post edited by Saxon1066 - 2012/03/10 04:07:52
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