What's the opposite of quantizing?

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2012/03/08 18:44:15 (permalink)

What's the opposite of quantizing?

Can I Sonar randomize the transients in an audio track.  Or the start times on a midi track?  I have a simple tambourine track, with hits on 2 and 4.  I created it by clicking notes into one measure then copying for the length of the song.  Now I wish the tambourine hits were a little less perfect, and more human.  Is there any way to command Sonar to do it?
 
Or course, it will be an easy fix to simply re-record it in real time.  But now I am curious to know if the program can do it.
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    siordanescu
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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 18:50:58 (permalink)
    groove quantize?...

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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 18:57:36 (permalink)
    Yes the Groove Q will do the trick... but I would rather perform the part live wherein not only will the timing be groovy... the velocities you can add humanly are part of the groove... so no GQ for me EVER.


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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 19:04:01 (permalink)
    +1 to jkleban - GrooQ will loosen it up all you want, but really it's got to be in the playing to be the true 'groove' for the song


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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 19:27:29 (permalink)
    :What's the opposite of quantizing?


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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 20:23:06 (permalink)
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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 20:35:46 (permalink)
    I guess some would say "humanising" , not to be confused with the 
    human league 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPudE8nDog0
    or  humanoid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8TCK7A0Kc

    anyone got a 303  ? :)

    groove quantising is still on point..

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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 21:21:30 (permalink)
    You might also consider using the step sequencer (since its only one note with lotsa repititions) and its nifty little ability to add swing.  Cake TV has a great drum tutorial that shows the possibilities in the step sequencer.
     
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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 21:53:36 (permalink)
    Qualtizing 

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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 23:43:35 (permalink)
    I believe there's a "randomize" feature in the Quantize MFX that comes with Sonar and a "humanize" CAL script that does basically the same thing. If you want even more control, check this out:

    http://www.midi-plugins.de/mplug/mplug-hum.html
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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/08 23:48:05 (permalink)
    For MIDI humanizing you can use CAL scripts (Process - Run CAL)
     eg. . . randtime.cal, randnote.cal . . . which have controls for randomly adjusting midi note locations, as well as velocities.
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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/09 00:02:58 (permalink)
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    Now I wish the tambourine hits were a little less perfect, and more human.  Is there any way to command Sonar to do it? 
     
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    Some programs offer a humanize function that adjust timing and velocity at random, (IFRC there may be some CAL scripts to do this) trouble is that it can tend to make it sound like its played badly which is not what you are usually trying to achieve, what you really want is to inject some feel. Groove Quantatize is probably the best option after playing it again. If you do groove quantatize you may want to consider using slightly different strengths on different bars just to make sound a little less like a loop.

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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/09 03:38:28 (permalink)
    Many years ago (93?)  I was running Pro Tools an a Mac Quadra and had a sequencer called vision. I really liked it and feature I really liked was called smear with was the opposite of quantize - really well done, you could specify if you l were going to lag or lead and by how much, and specify the amount variation. It was great for emulating the drummer getting tired at the end of a long night with the 2nd kick hit being a little late and or quiet.  Surprisingly natural. I have never seen this in another app and I really liked it. Was great for adding a live feel to a midi session, and worked in time and velocity domains.

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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/09 04:57:19 (permalink)
    Asking me to play it for you.
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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/09 08:44:54 (permalink)
    One option is to look at the midi source. delete everything except the first 6 measures.  That leaves you with 12 notes. 

    Click on the track and the clip and then open the staff view so you can see the notes on the musical staff. This can be done from the PRV as well, but I simply find it easier in staff since it opens the note properties window with a simple right click, and everything you need is right there in one small window. 

    Right click on the first note to open the note properties window. In that window, you will see, among other things, the note start time, velocity, and some other things.   Concentrate for now on start time and velocity. 

    Simply edit those two parameters.... move the start time a bit forward on one note and back past the 2/4 beats by differing amounts on each of the 12 notes.  

    example ... the beat is 1:2:000  ( the last number will vary from "000" to "959")   the first number is measure.... the second number is the beat, and the third is the exact position of the note in that beat...... it is the  second the third numbers you will want to edit. 

    so..... 1:2:000 becomes 1:2:040     1:4:000 becomes 1:3:949   and so on   these are the beats in measure 1.


    Also change the velocity within a small range on those 12 notes as well.  It will not hurt to have some velocities the same, and the start times I think you'll find can vary from small to pretty large and still sound OK. Velocity is between 0 and 127... a range of 30 should give plenty of variation in the attack. Feel free to experiment with the velocity as well as the note offset/placement. 

    Small changes such as 2:000 to 2:004 are so small that they are pretty much undetectable to most people and having a few that close will still add that humanizing factor. You don't want them so far off that you can hear it and think... dang... that tambo player can't keep time at all. You want them close but not perfect. 


    This method allows you to manually edit a small section of the tune and apply randomness. Now..... simply copy all 6 measures and paste it as needed to complete the song. No one listing will be able to tell the 6 measures repeat, and the beats are not perfectly on the 2 & 4 so that adds the human feel. 


    hope this gives you another option. 

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    Re:What's the opposite of quantizing? 2012/03/09 09:03:47 (permalink)
    For a tamb hit on 2 & 4 I would first try sliding the track +10-30 ticks so it sits behind the beat a bit. It might be as simple as that.
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