Sickvision
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mastering a song after sonar??
there are a few guys who i know could bring the sound to another level in here im sure of that. but how do ya know if ya need mastering. http://soundcloud.com/american-metal/high-on-the-wire-1 this offering is my second session with x1 d. its a very loud mix and i feel like by tomorow il have a better mix than this. but can mastering realy make it better without taking to much away. i refuse to try and master a song with x1 since im not qualified. this is just mp3 soi tweeked the mix to get a less compressed mix. so is it the right direction to try and find someone elses opinion,
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Re:mastering a song after sonar??
2012/03/10 02:09:03
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Mastering is often a misnomer. Define mastering first. Usually mastering involves and entire cd or album project. Matching levels, track labels and numbers, creating cohesion between tracks. A reliable Mastering Engineer should tell you if it needs matering or not. Why should he scam you? That would just ensure that you don't come back again. One of the things I've been told time and again is not to put any limiting on the master buss. Try to keep levels below -6dB FS(?) or lower. Chances are they are going to try and maximize your levels and chances are their tools will do a better job than yours will. I would say, take it to a mastering house and get a quote. If they want your business, they will do their best to convince you they are going to give you the best service. Not necessarily the cheapest. Don't fall for the internet services. %90 are a scam. Do a search for Massive Mastering. (John Scripp) He will accept files over the web but he is a reputable engineer with a quality space and gear. http://www.massivemastering.com/ Check out his blog. He has a lot of info there: http://www.massivemastering.com/blog/ Here is some advice in regards to Mastering: http://www.massivemastering.com/resources/HOME/MASTERING_-_Getting_the_Most_out_of_Your_Mix.pdf
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Guitarhacker
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Re:mastering a song after sonar??
2012/03/10 09:00:03
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Loud is not always better. With the guitars like you have there, it is important to get it correct first, at the track level so it's not muddy. Mastering and....... polishing, as I like to call it will not get the mud out. Danny Danzi is one of the folks here who is a master with this style music and from what I recall he suggests cutting the lows on the guitars,,,, look him up, because in a thread many months back he went into great detail on this. I printed that post out because it contained a wealth of useful info for mixing heavy guitars and having a clean mix and separation on the instruments when you get finished, rather than a wall of indistinct sound that is just....loud.
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Re:mastering a song after sonar??
2012/03/10 09:13:29
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Guitarhacker Loud is not always better. I couldn't agree more.  Some Zombies think its the world championship making the meters turn red. Lets cut some more low end we can get + 6db more. Let's say 100hz.. sound crap but still. Why not go all the way roll off and cut to 1K instead. You can then push it another +24db instead of 6db. It sounds crap though but its loud right? When you hear something on the radio that sound aweful & hash sound, then you know. Then you know that is a JackAss Zombie that Mastered it or let me rephrase, destroyed the mix.
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Sickvision
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Re:mastering a song after sonar??
2012/03/10 09:34:59
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ya im getting ready to do the full song over, since i just wrote it and layed it down, i cut alot of corners and after having some drinks with a guy who mastered all my old tunes, he said that i should redu the best song first, and send him the mixes but i want to try out some ears, he always made my music sound sweet as a album. but alot got lost as songs. my fault for not using the same kit and guitars on most songs il look for some more advice. ya i read alot of danny's stuff and see what your saying , i look him up i need to start from a sound template for metal in sonar the daw must be routed correctly using a fx buss for 1. i never do this>> so im doing the intire project from scratch.again only saving the drums. so would you start you project guitar setup w two mic,2 line l/R into a single buss with a FX buss conected im back to sqare freakin 1 .
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Sickvision
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Re:mastering a song after sonar??
2012/03/10 09:50:46
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Freddie H Guitarhacker Loud is not always better. I couldn't agree more.  Some Zombies think its the world championship making the meters turn red. Lets cut some more low end we can get + 6db more. Let's say 100hz.. sound crap but still. Why not go all the way roll off and cut to 1K instead. You can then push it another +24db instead of 6db. It sounds crap though but its loud right? When you hear something on the radio that sound aweful & hash sound, then you know. Then you know that is a JackAss Zombie that Mastered it or let me rephrase, destroyed the mix. ya i got some great feed back on another forum on how guitars and drums change in mastering. my performance on all instraments was fine , but i made fundamental mistakes recording my guitar tracks. im not happy with 2 mics i feel i get mor punch direct in or all three.and my vocals where all done on the fly so its arranged better now. but masting his hit or miss still . i will visit 30 site's for help on loud guitar. mix destoyer,,,,,,,,,, funny.performance is everthing and when i get things mastered im looking at it sounding more even than loud i guess i would put it. the music itself is loud and dont need to in the red too.
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Freddie H
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Re:mastering a song after sonar??
2012/03/10 09:54:41
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Sickvision ya im getting ready to do the full song over, since i just wrote it and layed it down, i cut alot of corners and after having some drinks with a guy who mastered all my old tunes, he said that i should redu the best song first, and send him the mixes but i want to try out some ears, he always made my music sound sweet as a album. but alot got lost as songs. my fault for not using the same kit and guitars on most songs il look for some more advice. ya i read alot of danny's stuff and see what your saying , i look him up i need to start from a sound template for metal in sonar the daw must be routed correctly using a fx buss for 1. i never do this>> so im doing the intire project from scratch.again only saving the drums. so would you start you project guitar setup w two mic,2 line l/R into a single buss with a FX buss conected im back to sqare freakin 1 . If you correctly mix it in the first place you don't need to master EQ so much only compress MAXIMIZING the Levels 4-6db. Use iZotope or something real good like UAD limiter or Nomad AMT. Also you can preview hear how it would sound after mastering using a MAXIMIZING-tool on the MASTER BUS inside your DAW too. I would use SONAR X1 for my Master session or Samplitude Pro X. WriteCD codes ISRC code you do from any audio editing program like Soundforge or Wavelab http://www.nomadfactory.com/products/amt/index.html iZotope http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/
post edited by Freddie H - 2012/03/10 10:03:23
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